5800X vs 1600..... for a laugh

humbug · 22 Oct 2021 at 14:46

I'm in the middle of benchmarking a few games to see if there is any difference between Win 10 and Win 11 performance in games.

I remember Benchmarking Grid 2 on my Ryzen 1600 to measure the differences in performance with different RAM settings, i still have that slide, here is the comparison difference.

720P highest possible IQ settings, i do this to make sure the GPU never limits the CPU performance, it is that what we are after.

Ryzen 1600 with the best memory i could get:

Ryzen 1600, Avr FPS: 164.
Ryzen 5800X, Avr FPS: 299.

That's a performance increase of 82%.

jigger · 22 Oct 2021 at 15:10

The Chinese Steam users will love the 5800X

humbug · 22 Oct 2021 at 15:14

jigger said:
The Chinese Steam users will love the 5800X

lol

humbug · 22 Oct 2021 at 15:18

Danger Bri said:
1600 is holding its own to be fair

It is, for an ~RTX 2060 its perfectly good...

sandys · 22 Oct 2021 at 16:03

I have been doing some equally silly things as I am running a 3080Ti on a Ryzen 4650, how sad is the life of a computer geek

humbug · 22 Oct 2021 at 16:07

sandys said:
I have been doing some equally silly things as I am running a 3080Ti on a Ryzen 4650, how sad is the life of a computer geek

lol...... that poor CPU

LePhuronn · 22 Oct 2021 at 16:40

sandys said:
I have been doing some equally silly things as I am running a 3080Ti on a Ryzen 4650, how sad is the life of a computer geek

Reminds me of when I accidentally won an auction for a 4 month old Kepler Titan back in 2012 and had to pair it with a Sandy Bridge Pentium for about half a year :cry:

sandys · 22 Oct 2021 at 17:09

Never mind the CPU it was doing a creditable job, the little PSU on the otherhand said no and shutdown, 3080Ti too in efficient, still 4650 does OK, granted its no match for a 5950x but it plays games just fine

Result (3dmark.com)

Once you are at 4k the 4650 would be plenty as the GPU would still be a limiter.

Joxeon · 22 Oct 2021 at 17:32

It's not supprising it's a long way back to a 5800X, my X5670 @4.7ghz which would be 12 years old now used to virtually match the 1600 in cinebench R15 with a slight loss in ST but slight win in MT.

AMD have certainly brought Ryzen on since those days.

humbug · 22 Oct 2021 at 18:49

Windows 11: 305 FPS (+2%)

jigger · 22 Oct 2021 at 18:58

humbug said:
Windows 11: 305 FPS (+2%)

In 10 years the Chinese gamers will be all over these. Intel ARC Alchemist graphics cards and Ryzen 5800X at 768p

Sean473 · 22 Oct 2021 at 21:43

jigger said:
In 10 years the Chinese gamers will be all over these. Intel ARC Alchemist graphics cards and Ryzen 5800X at 768p

Lol...

humbug · 22 Oct 2021 at 22:00

L3 and Latency differences between Win 11 build 22000.258 and 22000.282

WOW...

Build 22000.258

Build 22000.282, make no mistake here in build Build 22000.258 the L3 cache is measured in MB/s, in build 22000.282 its measured in GB/s

The System memory latency is 6.5% faster in the later build, the L3 Cache is 5X faster with the Latency 1/3 as low, these are huge differences, what did Microsoft do to F it up that much?

I'm going to make a more detailed post tomorrow.

Joxeon · 22 Oct 2021 at 22:22

@humbug is it just ryzen that's effected or are older Intel CPUs effected by this also?

humbug · 22 Oct 2021 at 22:45

Joxeon said:
@humbug is it just ryzen that's effected or are older Intel CPUs effected by this also?

No idea....

sandys · 22 Oct 2021 at 23:42

Joxeon said:
@humbug is it just ryzen that's effected or are older Intel CPUs effected by this also?

I installed w11 on my i7 8565 with 1050 and it seems down on 3dmark bences ~ 10% gpu and ~ 20% cpu, but I didn't have the foresight to bench before install and the last time I benched this laptop was pre spectre/meltdown patches, doh.

humbug · 23 Oct 2021 at 01:29

sandys said:
I installed w11 on my i7 8565 with 1050 and it seems down on 3dmark bences ~ 10% gpu and ~ 20% cpu, but I didn't have the foresight to bench before install and the last time I benched this laptop was pre spectre/meltdown patches, doh.

Ouch

Sean473 · 24 Oct 2021 at 00:11

Windows 11 is too borken honestly... I'm going to keep waiting to upgrade to 11 for now...

sandys · 24 Oct 2021 at 11:13

humbug said:
L3 and Latency differences between Win 11 build 22000.258 and 22000.282

Looking at some of my win10 systems it would seem that the L3 is still not quite right, from 2400g, 2920 and 5950 nothing is much over 10ns.

kitfit1 · 24 Oct 2021 at 12:05

sandys said:
Looking at some of my win10 systems it would seem that the L3 is still not quite right, from 2400g, 2920 and 5950 nothing is much over 10ns.

I tend to agree. Mine has always been much the same in Win10.

@humbug, did you install the latest AMD chipset drivers before running AIDA64 ?

sandys · 24 Oct 2021 at 16:15

Yup here are all gens of Ryzen I have 1 through 4. the 4xxx obviously is a 3xxx core.