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Alder Lake-S leaks

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4K8KW10 said:
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There were gaming benchmarks. Intel Alder Lake Destroys AMD In New Gaming Performance Leak | Digital Trends
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Here is a game benchmark for you that is interesting. In this they test the 12900K with a RX6600 @1080p. It gets an average of 252FPS. Interestingly Gamers Nexus benched the RX6600 with a 10700K and scored 272FPS.

That means that a 2 generations older mid range Intel Chip beats the new 12900K by 8%. Maybe this is why we are not seeing game benchmarks

https://www.wepc.com/news/intel-core-i9-12900k-benchmark-alder-lake-leak/
 

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cliffy said:
It is also worth noting that Intel themselves place no stock in benchmarks like Cinebench and CPU-z, so we should do what Intel says and ignore these impressive Cinebench and CPU-Z results, after all, it is what intel want

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...y-very-concerned-with-real-world-benchmarking
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Of course Intel also had very handy (internal) definition of was a Real World Benchmarks:

Real World Benchmarks. noun. 1. Any benchmark which Intel can win. 2. Any benchmark where Intel can bribe the developer to let Intel win.
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Now that is a proper benchmark :p
 

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DDR5 is going to move fast it seems, as far as change goes.

buying kits at launch seems like it will be a fools errand. 60% price premium over high end binned DDR4 kits and only a max of 6000mt/s. Meanwhile RAM manufacturers are preparing faster kits, much faster in fact - at least a couple manufacturers are working on 12600mt/s binned kits, Adata is one of these who says it's going to launch kits binned for XMP 3.0 speeds of 8000mt/s, 10000mt/s and 12600mt/s but not for alder lake's launch, for alder lake most kits are just 4800mt/s
 

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Grim5 said:
DDR5 is going to move fast it seems, as far as change goes.

buying kits at launch seems like it will be a fools errand. 60% price premium over high end binned DDR4 kits and only a max of 6000mt/s. Meanwhile RAM manufacturers are preparing faster kits, much faster in fact - at least a couple manufacturers are working on 12600mt/s binned kits, Adata is one of these who says it's going to launch kits binned for XMP 3.0 speeds of 8000mt/s, 10000mt/s and 12600mt/s but not for alder lake's launch, for alder lake most kits are just 4800mt/s
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Yes.
The transition period between two generations and changeover of standards is the worst time for new purchases.

Yes, people invested in the old AM4 platform two years ago but today the same investment is a no-go.
 

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Grim5 said:
DDR5 is going to move fast it seems, as far as change goes.

buying kits at launch seems like it will be a fools errand. 60% price premium over high end binned DDR4 kits and only a max of 6000mt/s. Meanwhile RAM manufacturers are preparing faster kits, much faster in fact - at least a couple manufacturers are working on 12600mt/s binned kits, Adata is one of these who says it's going to launch kits binned for XMP 3.0 speeds of 8000mt/s, 10000mt/s and 12600mt/s but not for alder lake's launch, for alder lake most kits are just 4800mt/s
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It’s strange times at the moment. Silicon is a valuable commodity.
 

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4K8KW10 said:
Financial losses when you will need to upgrade. Changeover to a new platform with everything new.

AM4 is already heading towards being morally obsolete.

It's time for AMD to start offering the same performance for less. This means the new Ryzen 5 should be as fast as the old Ryzen 7 or 9.
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Hold your horses we have Zen 3D to compete on AM4, +15% overall gaming performance.
 

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humbug said:
Why pig lips?
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Because Zen 3 doesn't look like efficient enough compared to ARM and big. LITTLE architectures.

AMD must redesign its CPU architecture, so it better fits in the new reality.

Do you think that 15% performance loss with Windows 11 is all right?
 

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4K8KW10 said:
Because Zen 3 doesn't look like efficient enough compared to ARM and big. LITTLE architectures.

AMD must redesign its CPU architecture, so it better fits in the new reality.

Do you think that 15% performance loss with Windows 11 is all right?
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The performance issues in Win 11 appear to be fixed.

Are you comparing ADL to Zen 3 on efficiency and claiming AMD need to follow Intel? Not going to happen, Dr Lisa Sue has answered that, they are not going to do it, their cores are far more efficient than Intel's, they will just keep iterating improvements to that design without Big + Little because its better.
 

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uscool said:
the windows 11 loss has been patched for AMD , it was more to do with being bug or intel paying microsoft :cry:
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Yeah, it looks like that only AMD needs patches all the time to keep up with the Windows updates...
Every time a new Windows update gets released, AMD needs to release a patch to fix its terrible performance issues.
 

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humbug said:
The performance issues in Win 11 appear to be fixed.

Are you comparing ADL to Zen 3 on efficiency and claiming AMD need to follow Intel? Not going to happen, Dr Lisa Sue has answered that, they are not going to do it, their cores are far more efficient than Intel's, they will just keep iterating improvements to that design without Big + Little because its better.
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Or just push out a competing line of chips. It’s not as if AMD haven’t already lined this duck up.
 

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4K8KW10 said:
Yeah, it looks like that only AMD needs patches all the time to keep up with the Windows updates...
Every time a new Windows update gets released, AMD needs to release a patch to fix its terrible performance issues.
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everytime ? when was the last time it had issues ?

you do realise the OS just been released ? like with anything new you can have issues at the start
 

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