100% agreed.
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AMD what you doing to fight off Alderlake?
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100% agreed.
But the 12600k beats the 5900x in gaming and sits between the 5800x and 5900x in productivity.
hopefully b660 boards come soon
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If you watch the video, you'll see that MLID is not suggesting any kind of regression.
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Follow their successful road map and hopefully continue to improve.
Stupid question tbh
If you want a gaming machine then 5600X + B550 + 32GB is far cheaper than a 12600K build.
If you want productivity on the cheap then 5900X + B550 + 32GB is about the same and faster for your use case than a 12600K build.
Until we see DDR4 vs 5 comparisons to know the performance delta we have no idea if a 12600K + ddr4 build is still faster than a 5600X build in gaming and we don't know the impact on the productivity benchmarks either.
If platform costs were more comparable then the 12600K would be the best all round CPU to buy right now. Unfortunately they are not and you cannot ignore those costs.
AM4 platform is old, oudated and practically dead. Sure, there's a refresh of Zen3 coming, though investing into a DDR4, PCI-E v4 board when DDR5, PCI-E v5 is available on Intel, is false economy IMO.
Cheaper now, but you'll end up paying more in the long run.
CES 2022 is in early January and AMD will be there so I guess we will at least get a firm launch date of their new 3D V-Cache equipped Ryzen 5000 CPU’s for existing AM4 motherboards, and possible demonstrations of said CPU’s vs Alderlake so this CES should be very interesting 
Not sure I agree with that.
If you go DDR5 ADL now what are you likely to keep with an upgrade? You won't keep the mobo because by the time someone upgrades they probably need a new socket (will meteor lake even be supported by Z690?), you are unlikely to keep the ram because what you can get now is going to be terrible vs what you can get in 12 months let alone several years so it is still a complete platform change.
Personally I would not buy either now. I would wait for Zen 3d because by then DDR5 will be cheaper and faster, B660 should be released and there will be more information on ram tuning and DDR4 vs DDR5 performance tradeoffs.
Completely ignoring that many don’t need to invest into a new platform, simply drop in a new CPU to their existing AM4 board and still likely gain performance parity or superiority with AL.
By the time AM5 launches and a new platform is needed DDR5 will be more mature, faster and likely less overpriced.
And hashing together Skylake with Atom cores and hoping software can differentiate between them is the answer?
Lol knowing Intel the Aderlake socket/platform will be replaced with a new socket for Raptor Lake next year (or whatever is the next Lake iteration) so you can say the same about ADL. Therefore ADL only released and already outdated.
this is coming from soneone that bought rocket lake ?? You have to admit the upgrade path with it has been great and yet they still have zen 3d think they really gave as much out from this, its one thing that puts me off Intel they replace the whole socket/platform
but yeah if building new system right now its not as straight forward
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What are AMD doing?
The upper management and shareholders are ordering more Ferraris and upgrading their yachts.
The upper management and shareholders are ordering more Ferraris and upgrading their yachts.
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More likely they're trying to work out how the hell they are going to hike the price on Zen-3D now.
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Well maybe a Fiesta ST and a Pedalo then.
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Zen 3D, its all they need.
Just briefly looked at reviews, as usual the performance improvement depends on the game or software being run. In Civ 6 (1080p resolution) for example, the framerate of the 12900K is just over double that of the 11400 and 10400, link here:
https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-cor...12th-gen/images/civilization-vi-1920-1080.png
https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-cor...12th-gen/images/civilization-vi-1920-1080.png
AMD still has N5 available to them (once Apple goes to N4/N3), so a lot of die real estate to play with, weather to make larger cores with better IPC or to just add more cores.
Whether we focus on performance per watt, or performance per die space, AMD has a lot more headroom compared to Intel right now.
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I've said it in the ADL thread, AMD will be on 5nm next year, Zen 4 late 2022 i think, significantly improved IPC, they have the option of 24 or even 32 cores, and they are all P cores.
AMD don't even need to try to beat Raptor Lake, they will beat Alder Lake with Zen 3D, AMD have a nuclear option for Zen 4 now that Intel have signalled how aggressive they want to play it, AMD are the ones with by far the biggest nuclear arsenal and if they decide they are just going to push the button with Zen 4 they will bury Intel.