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Nice news, we are in desperate need for cheaper entry level GPUs especially with 10bit/12bit support (Full HDR colours), Full RGB and 120hertz, AMD, Nvidia and Intel are in a state of playing the waiting game which could go on for months at this point.

Reckon unofficially they find a loop hole and it ends up sellable to the masses.
 
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2010 wants its crappy chinese electronics memes back.
Keep that attitude while Xiaomi eats Apple and Samsung's pie, I'm sure there are quite a few people here old enough when the same song was played against Japan...

How old would i need to be? i'm pretty old.

The great hope was with enough niceties thrown their way China would take up western values and become a fluffy compliant nation we could farm all the stuff we didn't want to on the cheap, Wake up Mr Chamberlain there will never be anything fluffy about China, they have their own agenda and it doesn't involve your rose tinted view of the world.
 
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How old would i need to be? i'm pretty old.

The great hope was with enough niceties thrown their way China would take up western values and become a fluffy compliant nation we could farm all the stuff we didn't want to on the cheap, Wake up Mr Chamberlain there will never be anything fluffy about China, they have their own agenda and it doesn't involve your rose tinted view of the world.

Honestly I don't care. Every country has an agenda and it's not like our corporate overlords give a fake penny about throwing people on the streets when it suits their needs anyway. You can thank the very same corporate overlords that hoped to tame a billion people communist country about it, the very same ones that now love scaremongering about it...

China will become fluffier as soon as people will afford the same level of wealth as their western counterparts, until them I fully expect them to exploit every single gap and they would be fools for not doing so.
If you want to blame someone then look at Reagan and Tatcher, a sane government with care for the people would have outlawed most IP transfer under a certain age, but they preferred cheap labour to strong unions so now enjoy the current situation, along with the cheap electronics made by the industries we outsourced.

That said, I don't expect you or anyone to agree with me, I would rather switch back to the merits of the devices than talk about politics.
 
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Honestly I don't care. Every country has an agenda and it's not like our corporate overlords give a fake penny about throwing people on the streets when it suits their needs anyway. You can thank the very same corporate overlords that hoped to tame a billion people communist country about it, the very same ones that now love scaremongering about it...

China will become fluffier as soon as people will afford the same level of wealth as their western counterparts, until them I fully expect them to exploit every single gap and they would be fools for not doing so.
If you want to blame someone then look at Reagan and Tatcher, a sane government with care for the people would have outlawed most IP transfer under a certain age, but they preferred cheap labour to strong unions so now enjoy the current situation, along with the cheap electronics made by the industries we outsourced.

That said, I don't expect you or anyone to agree with me, I would rather switch back to the merits of the devices than talk about politics.

I could get deep in to a rabbit hole about about what corporations and much smaller employers do to maximise profit while at the same time abusing peoples need to feel good about themselves by making them think its all nice and fluffy, when i reality it drives up costs, drives down wages and stifles innovation and competition.

like Useful idiots people buy in to it hook line and sinker while at the same time wonder why the gap between the rich and the poor keeps growing and why their overall standard of living keeps falling. That's our problem for narcissistically buying in to it all.

But this isn't the place for it and China's only ambition is to be thie global power and their communism is not our fault nor is it tame. Ask Uighur Muslims if they think its tame, or any ethnic or social minority in China.
 
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I could get deep in to a rabbit hole about about what corporations and much smaller employers do to maximise profit while at the same time abusing peoples need to feel good about themselves by making them think its all nice and fluffy, when i reality it drives up costs, drives down wages and stifles innovation and competition.

like Useful idiots people buy in to it hook line and sinker while at the same time wonder why the gap between the rich and the poor keeps growing and why their overall standard of living keeps falling. That's our problem for narcissistically buying in to it all.

But this isn't the place for it and China's only ambition is to be thie global power and their communism is not our fault nor is it tame. Ask Uighur Muslims if they think its tame, or any ethnic or social minority in China.

I'd rather worry about things I can have an impact on and this isn't one of them. What I worry about right now is my wife being ****** off at her ancient GPU and being impossible to replace at decent prices.
As for geopolitics, it's up to the people to stop being keyboard warriors and claw back the rights they stopped fighting for a long time ago.
 
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I could get deep in to a rabbit hole about about what corporations and much smaller employers do to maximise profit while at the same time abusing peoples need to feel good about themselves by making them think its all nice and fluffy, when i reality it drives up costs, drives down wages and stifles innovation and competition.

like Useful idiots people buy in to it hook line and sinker while at the same time wonder why the gap between the rich and the poor keeps growing and why their overall standard of living keeps falling. That's our problem for narcissistically buying in to it all.

But this isn't the place for it and China's only ambition is to be thie global power and their communism is not our fault nor is it tame. Ask Uighur Muslims if they think its tame, or any ethnic or social minority in China.

China isnt communist - its a mistake from the west and a cover for the authoritarian dictatorship. Sorry please carry on.
 
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Give them 5 years and they will take over the video cards market just like Huawei was ready to be the leader in 5G networks if we really had a free market. I bet the US and western countries will ban imports of video cards from China telling us the chinese government is spying on us while we play games. Unlike our own governments who will never spy on us. :D
 
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Thats an excellent thesis choice in its own right , and with the ethnic cleansing programmes, one which could be strongly argued for. Maoism may have started out being of the left, but i agree China is nothing like that now.

Wrong on Maoism, the chinese words they are using now are getting close to 60s to 70s when Maoism were at peak. They did try to avoid using those words from 80s up till 10 years ago.

Those words they use mean a lot of things, those meaning are lost when translate to English. Have to read the original chinese version to fully understand it. Also, forgets capitalistism, socialism and etc those western terms. The system over there is more like a dynasty + gang system in the story book "Water Margin".
 
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China is trying to become self sufficient with semi conductor technology, it doesn't want to use chips from US companies, they have said this themselves.

These will be badly designed poorly performing GPU's made from stolen IP, they will never be sold in western countries, they wouldn't be able to but that's not the point of them.


They are so bad at it, I saw a recent video on YouTube showing how Chinese spies go to tech conferences like CES carrying cameras and tools then sneak backstage or when no one is looking trying to open electronics to take photos of the insides etc. and it's not just tech like this, they also put spies into Universities around the world, tasked with recording and capturing data
 
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Wrong on Maoism, the chinese words they are using now are getting close to 60s to 70s when Maoism were at peak. They did try to avoid using those words from 80s up till 10 years ago.

Those words they use mean a lot of things, those meaning are lost when translate to English. Have to read the original chinese version to understand it. Also m

Maoism isnt my strong point , so just going on the conversations of others - history is both cyclic and linear (what goes around comes around). I would argue that the decline of Maoism started around 1967, after the purges (sorry Cultural Revolution). Shall we take this to another forum though?
 
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Sorry boss ;)

On tpoic - another IP is a good thing for the market in general ; I would like VIA to make a comeback and not in the hands of Intel (for example); but its good that PowerVR are *maybe* heading back to the desktop market.

The renaissance of 1990s brands hopefully will bring back some of that vibrant market. Remember when your hardware was left in the dust in 3 years? Back then a 10 year old PC being still viable was unthinkable!
 
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Sounds like good news to me.
We might never see them outside of China. However, if they meet some of the demand within their home country, then that will free production for other countries and still provide competition to the big groups.
 
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Sounds like good news to me.
We might never see them outside of China. However, if they meet some of the demand within their home country, then that will free production for other countries and still provide competition to the big groups.
Ohhhhh im sure they’ll be available on Wish.com very soon :D
 
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