Soldato
It was Russian.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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It was Russian.
If NATO committed a defacto act of war against Russia then he would have no option but to respond, it would be the same as the USSR suddenly announcing in the 60's that Cuba was now a member state of the USSR, the USA would have invaded as soon as they could get the the ships/planes/troops there.
You're also assuming that most NATO countries would actually choose to defend Ukraine if Britain/USA/etc randomly declared it was now a member with zero consultation/approval process. I would wager most would simply argue it doesn't constitute a valid article 5 claim.
There is also the fact that article 5 does not guarantee military assistance anyway, merely "assistance" (it was specifically worded this way so that the USA was not lawbound to help militarily if a war in Europe broke out.
Yeah I know, try reading the post you quoted, I highlighted the important bit.
We're not going to war over Ukraine. We will sanction Russia to its heels and in return they will bend the knee to Chinese. So basically we'll gift China a resource and military capable/rich Russia and create even more problems. Thing is, it seems like we're not looking that far enough in the West. We should have done everything we could to pull Russia from China and we had golden opportunities from 91 all way to 2014.
We're laying foundation for super steroid China right now. Putin and Russia today are peanuts to whats about to be given birth to.
We're laying foundation for super steroid China right now. Putin and Russia today are peanuts to whats about to be given birth to.
Soldato
You're a bit dim aren't you? Russia used a nerve agent on British soil, murdered an innocent British civilian and ruined the life of a British police officer.
Whey hey, we have a Rus bot.
So if we say, nuked Moscow just to kill someone who was a traitor...it's all good? Am I getting it?
Russia and China don't make for happy bed fellows despite the face they put on when in opposition to the West. Especially these days China is pushing towards a more dominant approach in world affairs and Russia won't just roll over for them unlike some of the smaller countries who are now finding out the realities of getting in bed with China.
The Russian people generally have a lot of fatigue with the whole situation and aren't buying into the propaganda and anti-Ukraine rhetoric anything like as much as people might think, though there are still plenty who don't have enough access to wider information to have an informed opinion. Broadly across Russia public support there for military action at the moment is at a low with people more concerned about pressing domestic issues they won't so easily be deflected from.
A lot of the current Russian military movements are for show with a lot of making sure they are visibly seen - but that doesn't mean an invasion isn't in the offering.
I'm not sure what Putin is up to at the moment - he is usually pretty shrewd at balancing military posturing for political ends but the current situation seems to be backing him into a corner - which worries me a little that he intends to actually go through with it this time using the pretext of "you forced my hand". On the other hand while recent movements have allowed for the build up of equipment to the kind of levels needed for the first phase of an invasion the man-power is still woefully short unless they expect Ukraine to do little more than put up a token fight or roll over entirely.
it wasn#t even an isolated incident though Russia has been doing that for decades... must be at least 5of them in the UK that we know of
I bet Russia would go ape if America poisoned snowdown and a few innocent Russian civs died as a result of touching door handles etc
Bet he's terrified that he won't be able to stay in power for much longer and he must have tons of enemies circling like sharks, he has to put on the strong man act in a pitiful attempt to stay in power it seems.
let's not pretend he's actually in power because of votes that aren't rigged
See this is what Russia is paranoid about, not the silly argument about Putin being paranoid about being invaded but mass civil unrest. and the risk of being overthrown
Look how quickly this just started in Kazakhstan, the entire cabinet has resigned, this is what serious insurrection looks like. They might well put it down in coming days (Belarus managed to) but the risk is there for regimes like that and if/when they fall and become more democratic Russia gets rather more nervous about the potential among it's own citizens or among it's own Republics potentially breaking away etc...
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...-resigns-as-demonstrators-set-fire-to-capital
Things seem to be moving along...
In the last few days:
Failed talks with NATO and Russia
More cases of 'Havana syndrome' in europe
Large cyber attack against Ukrainian government
US announcing they have intelligence that Russia is planning a false flag attack to be used as an excuse to invade Ukraine
In the last few days:
Failed talks with NATO and Russia
More cases of 'Havana syndrome' in europe
Large cyber attack against Ukrainian government
US announcing they have intelligence that Russia is planning a false flag attack to be used as an excuse to invade Ukraine
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Well they have moved divisions from the border regions of China westwards, threatened Sweden and Finland and want NATO out of every ex USSR country including Poland as part of thier unconditional demands.
Also Sweden is now reinforcing Gotland with troops and armour after the Russian influx of landing craft and troops into kaliningrad.
Putin, crazy or pretending to be crazy, that is the question.
Let's hope it's a show that doesn't go live
Also Sweden is now reinforcing Gotland with troops and armour after the Russian influx of landing craft and troops into kaliningrad.
Putin, crazy or pretending to be crazy, that is the question.
Let's hope it's a show that doesn't go live
Soldato
I don't think he's crazy. I think it's worse than that. He's completely sane but can see the end of his 'reign' on the horizon and is prepared to cement his place in history by attempting to take back what the Soviets lost, and if that fails and leaves a legacy of absolute chaos behind, then so be it. I don't think he gives a **** either way.
Dunno what is going on with Putin - lately been talking a lot about Ukraine framing it in the context of say how Texas is the US, as Ukraine to Russia "USSR" and a lot of talk about how the US/NATO is forcing his hand due to the security position. But his body language is nervous not his normal calm.
When dealing with stupid things said by journalists he is quite bluntly shutting them down instead of as in the past where there was a more jovial side to the lecture they got on how wrong they were. I get the impression whatever course of action he is intent on taking his mind is already set.
However even if every single movement noted by open source intel, etc. was building up for an invasion the forces are still way below what would realistically be required unless they expected Ukraine to just roll over.
Apparently two russian ships of the coast of Sweden , next to a couple of nuclear stations that just so happen to have had drones flying above them at the same time.......
looking to make every one up there paranoid, or a deadly lesson for not listening to mighty Putin.
looking to make every one up there paranoid, or a deadly lesson for not listening to mighty Putin.
Soldato
My Brother-in-Law flew into Northern Finland today for work (JCB), I did warn him to be on the look out for Russians.
Soldato
A few years old, but still relevant. If timestamp doesn't work then go to 34:20
https://youtu.be/MIdUSqsz0Io?t=2055
https://youtu.be/MIdUSqsz0Io?t=2055
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