Overclocking guide for newbies here...

MAllen · 19 Jan 2005 at 17:05

Leaving it at a 220 fsb will help the rest of the system get a boost. This means your 400 memory is running at 440 - which is a nice little bonus.

Even if the maths tell you that you haven't overclocked the CPU. What you have done is manage to overclock the whole system instead. Which is well worth it.

If 10.5 is unstable, then run as it is for now and "burn it in" a bit. Then you may be able to squeeze the 10.5 out of it in a few months time. (Though summer is coming and overclocking don't like summer heat....)

TidyKeefus · 29 Jan 2005 at 17:55

Hi Guys

I have the Mini Foxconn Motherboard on OCs site

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/FoxConn_Socket_939.html

Anyone tell me what this comes under on motherboard monitor as Foxconn is not on the list.

Keith

Gatsby · 2 Feb 2005 at 16:32

Originally posted by DanF
Just going to add some tips for A64 clocking at the bottom here:

If your wanting to try and find out how high your system will go then it's usually easiest to break down the process into 3 sections which will usually get you to within about 5% of your max speeds fairly quickly.

The 3 steps are:
Find your rams max settings
2nd find your cpu's max settings
3rd combine them together

(To really get the most you also need to take into account max HTT speeds for benchmarking results in 3DMark2001se)

1) mem speeds
First go in to the bios and set the HTT multi down to 3 and also set the cpu multi down to say 7 and leave the memory set to either 200 or 1:1 setting with std timings (probably around 1T - cas 2.5 - 3 - 8 - 3). You then need to get hold of the latest version of a utility called memtester86 and make it into a bootable floppy. You also need to lock your AGP / PCI slots, with the MSI K8n Neo2 you need to set the AGP clock to 67mhz to achieve a lock, other boards vary. Without the lock you’ll struggle to get a high FSB. Other Neo2 board tip is use memory slots 1 & 2, also only use the two sata headers that are closest to the cpu.

Then you need to start raising the CPU FSB in steps of 5 and then run a complete cycle of memtester and keep on going until you get errors. Then you can either try and raise the memory voltage and see if the errors go or you can just use the last stable setting (trying to get the last 1-2 fsb is not really nessacery here). The last thing to do is to try and lower your memory’s timings one at a time and run memtester. This will give you a good fsb speed versus timings setup.

Do's:
Always keep either CPC on or the 1T timing on. It's vital for a fast A64 setup (with it off you'll probably need an extra 40+fsb mhz to be equal).
Don’ts:
Don't lower your timings over the std 2.5-3-10-3 unless it allows you to get much higher speeds as the A64 likes tight timings.
A system with mem at 1T-2.5-3-8-3 and only 200mhz will most likely be faster than one at 1T-3-4-10-4 at anything up to 240mhz, maybe faster.

2) cpu speeds
Then it's on to the cpu, make sure your case is fairly cool after an hour of prime95 or gaming, whip off the cover and stick you hand in, it should be only a few c over your room’s temps. If you have the std HSF then it's best to stay under 1.6v, a good HSF 1.65v, good water ~1.7v for your CPU voltage. The easiest way to have a cool CPU is to have a cool case (HSF can only dissipate heat at a certain rate + the temp of your case to begin with). Also there are reports of A64 mobo's having temp reading of over 10c out. You've been warned.

Now go in to the bios and change the settings to the highest CPU multi (say 9 for 3000, 10 for 3200, 11 for 3500). Keep the HTT multi at 3x. Go into the memory and set it to either 133 or 2/3 option.

Start to raise the FSB by 5mhz again and now use the latest version of Prim95 for 30-40minutes each time to test for cpu stability. You'll find points at each voltage level of maximum speed; write them down for future reference. As you find a max setting or induce errors then raise the cpu voltage one step and carry on going. Don't go over the above voltage limits.

Now you'll either find your ruff max OC and a high voltage or chicken out (probably the sensible thing to do) when you get to a certain point (2500 mhz and 1.68v for me on water cooling). Note that this is only your ruff max setting as you now need to move on to step 3 which puts more pressure on your CPU.

Now you should have your wanted settings for memory and cpu speed. It's now a question of working out the best combination of multipliers, dividers and CPU FSB. Each time you do this you really need to test for stability for 3hrs+ in your favourite stress test. Your final setting should survive 12+hrs continues testing. Any bsod's etc will indicate system instability and you'll need to play with voltages or settings.

Tips are:
1) To start with, stick the HTT multi times CPU FSB to always give you less than or equal to 1000mhz (ie HTTx4 times CPU FSB at 245 = 980mhz) This setting doesn’t really give to much real world performance gains so just use 3 or 4.
2) Killer systems need high mem FSB with tight timings and high CPU speed. A fast system only needs a moderate cpu speed with tight memory timings (loosen the timings and you will need more mhz to compensate, you can easily get into a spiral pattern for very little real world gains).
3) Try and keep the CPU FSB under 300, there is always a combination that you can use to get a good result with a lower CPU FSB.
4) The A64 platform has the memory controller on the CPU, this means that you are always running a divider to the memory so the magical 1:1 ratio means very little. Using other dividers for the memory will give pretty much no performance hit
5) You want a power supply with a good 12v ampage line like 18a+ at least.
6) The A64 loves samsung TCCD chip memory modules check a list out HERE
7) The A64 has issues with older versions of Prim95 and Memtester86
8) Latest Prime95 still has issues when using Cool n' quite On setting.
9) Cool and Quite is dangerous if you have changed the CPU multi from default. When it switches back from the lower speed it will reset your CPU multi (example is system at 278mhz and 8x multi = 2502mhz, reverts to 2780mhz and will crash)
10) don't use the auto performance setting in the bios or the nvidia / ati booster setting, you'll get better results with your own fixed overclocking settings. Also the nvidia / ati setting increases you GPU clocks so if they are already near there limit, this can push the GPU over the edge.

So a couple of examples from my system.
max memory speed at 1T-2.5-3-8-2 mem timings is around 230
at 1T-2.5-3-10-3 it can do 240mhz.
CPU maxes out around 2500mhz @ ~1.68v

So following combination give me almost identical results with 2 being just less than 1% faster than 1 in real games:
1) CPU FSB 250, CPU multi x10 = 2500mhz, memory at 166 divider and 1T-2-3-8-2 = 208Mhz.
2) CPU FSB 278, CPU multi x9 = 2502mhz, memory at 166 divider and 1T-2.5-3-8-2 = ~230Mhz.

The following are about 4-5% behind the above two and again almost identical to each other:
3) CPU FSB 300, CPU multi x8 = 2400mhz, memory at 133 divider and 1T-2-3-8-2 = 200Mhz.
4) CPU FSB 300, CPU multi x8 = 2400mhz, memory at 166 divider and 1T-2.5-3-10-3 = 240Mhz.

So results 3 and 4 are a very interesting comparison of faster mem mhz vs tight timings, three of the timings are worse with a 40mhz extra clock and they score almost identical to each other.

Tests where done using SuperPi 1M, Prim95 benchmark, Quake 3, Doom 3 & CS:S tests. Note that 3DMark2001SE isn't very good at gauging system speed on the A64 platform, changing the HTT multi down one or two steps can loose you several thousand points however in the above games there is less than 1% change. If you get better clocks with HTT at 3x instead of 4x with a CPU FSB of less than 250 then that's fine and dandy.

A tip for Prime95 is to go into the Advanced / Priority setting and put it to 10. This will really work your pc out, and probably make it almost unusable while it's running. You might need a little password though that I’ve forgotten. Also it's been mentioned that Prim95v233 and Prime95v238 has some issues with A64's so try the Prim95v22 versions.

Very useful, that should be put on the front page of this thread as I'm sure many people will have missed it.

Thanks Dan

xenole · 27 Feb 2005 at 12:18

1) mem speeds
First go in to the bios and set the HTT multi down to 3 and also set the cpu multi down to say 7 and leave the memory set to either 200 or 1:1 setting with std timings (probably around 1T - cas 2.5 - 3 - 8 - 3). You then need to get hold of the latest version of a utility called memtester86 and make it into a bootable floppy. You also need to lock your AGP / PCI slots, with the MSI K8n Neo2 you need to set the AGP clock to 67mhz to achieve a lock, other boards vary. Without the lock you’ll struggle to get a high FSB. Other Neo2 board tip is use memory slots 1 & 2, also only use the two sata headers that are closest to the cpu.

I'm new to this and had a go at this the other day before getting bored watching memtest run endlessly and Prime screw up my system - I dropped the HTT multi down to 3 and my cpu was then at 1.4GHz instead of 2.0GHz. Is that right?
How exactly can I be overclocking by knocking 600MHz off the speed?

MSI Neo2 Plat + whatever bios it came with.
Athlon 64 3200+ winchester
OCZ Plat2? something or other dual channel mem (1GB).

^^SkEgy^^ · 14 Mar 2005 at 09:46

nice tut will try it when i get home

Oberon · 17 Mar 2005 at 02:41

I cant handle this overclocking thing. Anyone want to take my computer off of me, overclock it, then send it back?.....Joke.

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Winchester
Asus A8N Nforce4 Sli
Gei Value 1Gb Dual Channel RAM
MSI Geforce 6600GT

So looking at this, id say the memory is a slight problem, but would you say its so bad that i couldnt take it to 2Ghz. Ive noticed i get errors on the memory because i may have accidently set the multiplier and FSB to high for it, so i got a 50Mhz overclock on it (200Mhz -> 250Mhz whoops

). So looking at this i need to set a lock on the PCIe and HTT bus right?. Well NVtune reports i had one, i messed around a bit and unlocked it, so now im going to put the defaults back on so thats not a problem. I also get lock ups on CS:Source so i suppose thats all to do with my bad overclocking skillz. well its easy enough said, overclocking a graphics card is so much more simpler. However i pride myself for taking my puter from 2800 to 4100 3Dmarks (2005). Anyone with a similar spec to mine got any tips as to how to take it further?.

iceman911 · 16 Apr 2005 at 20:41

hi guys i am the n00bs of n00bs when it comes to overclocking is there a 'easy' way to overclock a amd 64 3200? thanks again

MAllen · 18 Apr 2005 at 19:09

RTFM? Or in this case, RTFT. There is an answer only four posts away...

smids · 27 May 2005 at 17:20

Smids' 'n00b Crash Course in Overclocking' Guide

egt · 27 May 2005 at 23:14

smids said:
Smids' 'n00b Crash Course in Overclocking' Guide

Thanks smids, you got me some big numbers now

can't thank you enough mate.

Stability

32M Super Pi + Memort write speed

Bandwidth

Just a little bit more

smids · 28 May 2005 at 00:18

MuSsEr · 14 Jul 2005 at 00:16

quick question....not meaning to sound like a noob but never overclocked a a64 b4....do you need to unlock them like with athlon xp? or are they unlocked already? I have a a64 3500+ venice...let me know

smids · 14 Jul 2005 at 01:03

Already unlocked downwards. Cannot unlock upwards except FX's which are unlocked both ways. You have an 11x multi on that 3500+ and can use multis of 4x-11x.

MuSsEr · 14 Jul 2005 at 02:15

right, ok, so all i can do is wack up the fsb and fiddle w/ my ram timings and voltages? not able to bump up the multiplier?

so say its @ 11x now @ 200 = 2200mhz
im able to do the following (for example):
11x @ 250 = 2750mhz
or
10x 250 = 2500mhz

but not able to do such things as 12x 200/250 for 2400mhz/3000

correct?
(for example this is, i know those numbers might not be right or w/e)

smids · 14 Jul 2005 at 02:16

Correct. You have to use FSB to get up to speed.

MuSsEr · 14 Jul 2005 at 02:18

ok, but obviously like overclocking ne processor lowering the multiplier n putting the fsb up will put less strain on it tha just putting up the fsb right?

cheers btw

smids · 14 Jul 2005 at 02:28

I think so. I certainly have seen this from my experiences. Like my X2 today. The duff core failed prime after 3 mins on 11x228 = ~2.6ghz. But same voltage etc running at 10x260 it failed after 30 mins. So yeah, running lower multi's than those set take the stress off a bit.

Mr Spoon · 5 Aug 2005 at 21:14

im new to overclocking A64's.
so when everyone bumps their fsb to 250 or whatever, are peple generally keeping their memory speeds at stock ie 200 ? do increases in memory produce much speed advantage? if not then why do people buy pc4000/4400 etc ?

smids · 5 Aug 2005 at 22:49

Well, when you increase FSB, the memory increases at the same time. Unless you run on a divider, i.e. not 1:1 ratio increase, then you need faster RAM. Generally on A64s, running on a divider has no performance loss at all but for intels the same is not true. Also increasing memory speed increases bandwidth -very important for intels, less so for A64's but still offer a good performance boost usually 1000mb/s increase in bandwidth from 200mhz to 275mhz. If you want to read about overclocking A64's, see my guide on page 7 of this thread in orange writing.

Mr Spoon · 6 Aug 2005 at 07:59

thanks, so if you keep the memory at 200 and up the fsb and lower the multiplier so that the overall clock speed is the same, all you have done then is increased the fsb (asuming you lower the LDT to keep overall bus speed under 1000mhz) ? is there any performance gain in this ?