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Shackley said:a) they aren't professionals, they are amateur weekend warriors
Im sure i read that at least one of them was a 20 year serving pilot albeit with no combat experience.
Hardly a weekend warrior is it?
Shackley said:a) they aren't professionals, they are amateur weekend warriors
Shackley said:a) they aren't professionals, they are amateur weekend warriors
b) it will do a whole lot of good if the US military learn to look before they shoot in future
Incidentally, there has been next to no mention of the report that two Iraqi civilians who had been waving a large white flag were also killed in this contact - I guess that they don't matter - I wonder how many other Iraqi civilians, waving large white flags were also murdered by US cowboys without comment in the western media or courts?
Shackley said:a) they aren't professionals, they are amateur weekend warriors
b) it will do a whole lot of good if the US military learn to look before they shoot in future
Incidentally, there has been next to no mention of the report that two Iraqi civilians who had been waving a large white flag were also killed in this contact - I guess that they don't matter - I wonder how many other Iraqi civilians, waving large white flags were also murdered by US cowboys without comment in the western media or courts?
andy said:the pilots said they could see the orange marks so why did they even ask permission to shoot :S
andy said:the pilots said they could see the orange marks so why did they even ask permission to shoot :S
andy said:the pilots said they could see the orange marks so why did they even ask permission to shoot :S
cockpit transcript said:1351.30 POPOV35:
They did say there were no friendlies.
1351.33 POPOV36:
Yeah, I know that thing with the orange panels is going to screw us. They look like orange rockets on top.
But they're Americans, so they must be in the wrong. Duh.Scam said:Get a grip, you might fall off that American-bashing bandwagon you're holding onto the back of.
Stiff_Cookie said:HOLY REPEAT THREAD BATMAN!!!
This topic has ben discussed in another thread. Why doesnt everyone look there? Heck, most peoples areguemnts for or against can be found in that thread, and probably 99.9% of the people on this forums do not have the knowledge of either US or military training or procedures to make comments on the professionalism of either force. What they do know is what the media tells them.
EDIT: as for the pilots not showing remorse. well one said he was gonna be sick and one (maybe the same one) was heard weeping.
Shackley said:a) they aren't professionals, they are amateur weekend warriors....
US cowboys....
Captain Planet said:Amateur weekend warriors? What does that make you then?
Mickey_D said:There are times where I wish I could just scream. Reserve units have the IDENTICAL training that active duty units do. What you are probably confusing them with are National Guard units. So, just on that basis alone, both you and dirtydog can take your uneducated (on this subject) opinions (that's what you've been spouting, because you have NO clue of the facts) and shove them up your collective arses.
Humpty said:Some unbelievable posts have spilled out into this thread!!
First (as has already been said) do any of you seriously think that this video was 'leaked' by some high minded junior and brought to air by the courage and tenacity of a reporter at the Sun?? It was released as a 'leak' to avoid complications and I have no doubt that the 'leak' was approved by senior officials (although political pressure or public opinion may have forced their hand).
Second, what is it with people these days that is so outrageously judgemental. The death of Lance Corporal Matty Hull and the others involved is terrible, but to read that some of you think that the pilots should go to jail for this is beyond belief. They were doing their jobs. They might have done them badly (open to debate) but they were only doing their jobs.