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No one ever said it had to be "£400+ to break even" but you were told time and time again at the same size die 16/14/12 vs 7nm the cost is way different. Even that twitter post confirms the waffer price is double on TSMC 16 to TSMC 7... Its a bit hard to try to explain things when someone...

You know Designing chips is x times more expensive on new node, you know its yields are not as good, you know memory is x times more expensive, you know waffer is x times more expensive. Wish all you want but but Navi is much more expensive card for AMD than Polaris. And if you are waiting for...

Navi 5700/5700XT die size is midrange but its cost for AMD is high end. For 5700 to be price of Polaris RX480 the die size should be ~40% of RX480 die size. Tere will always be those cheaper lower end parts that are small but their jump over older gen lower end parts wont be that big. You cant...

No, Im just telling you what you dont want to hear. Prices can stay the same if cards/die is more expensive? If the die on 14nm cost 25$ and they sell it for 40$ and on 7nm it cost 50$ they cannot sell it for 40$, you understand that right? You or me wanting cheap parts is not going to keep the...

Smaller nodes will increase density but give lower freguency and much much more expensive dies. Like AMD said it was miracle 7nm cpu had higher freguenzy than 12nm. I dont know what you would call it, but this is where the industry is going. This is the reason why AMD chiplet design is such a...

It actually hurts my head people think 5700/XT is same price do to being same size as 480/580. -Designing 7nm die is three times more expensive than 14/12nm. Not the same, not twice but 3 times more expensive. -Dies being the same size does not make them priced alike, we know 300mm waffer...

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8600K, or maeby just no?

You should understand that IPC gain includes AVX-512, if you are going to expect that IPC uplift on programs we usually use, you are going to be disapointed... Also their 10nm is showing 1Ghz less than older 14nm++. On desktop it is also going to go against Zen3 not Zen2. Last year I wanted to...

I wish the price was atleast 50 bucks cheaper but have to see what is the € price. I dont think that cooler is going to be as bad as some of these "lOL veGa zuuler was loLZcrapz hAha Lolz" think. Die is 150w, memory is cooled by the shroud. On Vega 56 and Vega 64 the cooler had to handle much...

I dont even understand what you are trying to say, that you were wrong the whole time and I was right and now you want to bet me on it? Each die/chiplet is made from 8 core, 2 CCX cluster. 3800X and anything below it is one 8 core die (+ the IO die) that has 2 CCX. Chiplet doesent mean CCX.

It might be 4,5GHz is on the cross point where you need a lot more voltage, look at the 480 vs 580 vs 590 (I dont this is the case myself) It might be leakier silicon overcloking higher It might be boost on 3800X are much higher than that 300mhz It might be million other things AMD can make 5x...

I dont know what you are smoking but dont offer it to others. 14nm vs 7nm waffer cost ~double, 14nm vs 7nm designing is multiple times more expensive, 14nm vs 7nm yields are much worse, Zen+ is 12nm 213mm die, Zen 2 prosessor is atleast 14nm ~130mm + 7nm 88mm die. Counting it all together how...

Latest Apisak finding, 6/12 ES; 3,2/4 GHz Someone on reddit tested it against their 2600 on same clocks http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13241660?baseline=13267824 +10-15% IPC, with weird cahce sizes. Sadly memory timings are unknown but reddit guy put hes also 2666 so its somewhat...

People dont seem to understand it isnt 1960 anymore. Rome has priority and TSMC capasity is limited. They will not sell you 200£ 16 core cpu.

Confirmed to release watercooled Toxic for Navi. Toxic for Vega was canceled due to restricted margin. Navi currently has two versions, one is priced at $499 and the other is $399. (Assuming talking about the top version) it is stronger than 2070 Denied the existence of socalled “Big Navi” with...

Some people make you smile. They hate AMD for all it is. Their products are garbage because they dont give 2080Ti performance for 300$ or they dont give you faster card than 1080Ti so why even bother release anything. Have you ever heard other people or other usercases? No. Even if AMD would...

Regarding launch date, we are pretty close to it. AMD is expecting to make ~350million$ more Q2 than it did in Q1. It cant be consoles, Naples, consumer gpus, ryzen 2000, propably not cloud gpus ether. So only two options are Rome and Ryzen 3000. Watching those place holders, werent there rumor...

It must be a hard feeling. Feeling like you are going to die in 6 months. 9900K 4,7ghz allcore losing to Engineering Sample without final clocks of Zen2 and having nothing to answer back before 2020. Not to mention the clear prospect of AMD slapping another 7nm cpu chip next to its brother...

You do understand desktop 10nm Intel is not coming before 2020?