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To expand on that the only reason the offence of rape (s1) was kept in the 2003 act was for historical purposes. The s2 offence of Assault by penetration could include forced penile penetration, it doesn't only cos of the specific s1 offence. The two offences are written identically except for...

As demonstrations are by default noisy, your usage of 'peacefully demonstrating' is thus an oxymoron and your point is thus rendered irrelevant. Now can we get off this irrelevent point and get back to the matter at hand?

That's true enough but what they were reacting to and how they did it was an act of evil terrorism. Lets not forget that Islams claim to Jerusalem is based on a dream Muhammed had. Jerusalem was a xian city and part of the Byzantine empire [Eastern Roman empire] during his lifetime. It was...

Was their violence at that demo? Was their blood split? Did two sides face off and have at it? No ... Therefore it was peaceful. Now whether you think that what they did was a legitimate demonstration or went too far is irrelevent. They were not violent, their protest was itself peaceful.

Yes you do.

Are you upto S4 yet cos it sucked. Even for OTH the plots got even more ludicrous Yep.

Charlie

I'm basing my statement partly on the memory of a survey that said that long term prisoners had a lower life expectancy than socitial norms. Also, and again from memory you've got something like a 5 -10% chance of dieing before reaching 65. Life factors obviously can strongly influence that...

It means that in 40 years they are eligible for parole. That means that they have to admit they are guilty and convince a board that they no longer represent a threat to society. It doesn't mean that they are released after 40 years. Given that they are in their late 20's its likely that soem...

Given their ages this is effectively a whole life tarrif. I'd expect an appeal against this sentance. One tried that when they fled the country, didn't work in the end.

True but then I'm not the one claiming that 41m people who do sit on their asses on sunday as being members of my church. Hence the phrasing. I accept your general point but we aren't talking about a persons personnal beliefs but about their membership of a community with similar beliefs, CofE...

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But if the religion calls for communal acts and especially regular communal acts of worship and other behaviours there coems a point when non compliance with such tenants brings into doubts a persons membership of the mainstream form of that religion. So are you suggesting that 41m british xians...

Except as I've allready said, xianity has not left that big an imprint on our society. Freedom, democracy, individual rights, consumerism, diversity, science, equal rights, education for all, justice for all these are not xian values. They are western values that arose inspite of the church...

Thats one way to evade the discussion ...

Not really. The number of practising xians is around 850,000 now. A decline of 50% in the last 20 years. What box people tick on a census form is not a good indicator of their beliefs, not unless you really think 300,000 people do follow the ways of the Jedi. The vast difference between what box...

So why the problem in expressing this fact in other threads. If its "obvious and self-explanatory" then why do you and other so consistantly fail to adequately explain your views on this matter? Emphasis on family life, respect for authority and community .. wow that was easy. Given your...

Yes if you believe the morality derives from the very act itself and not the worthiness or lack of the victim.

Unless I've got you confused with someone else isn't this your second scare?

Pointless using steak in a bolognaise. Gives me an idea for tonights meal ;)