German court rules circumcision is 'bodily harm'
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I have no doubt whatsoever that you're an amazing father Castiel as well as many other parents on these forums. I just despair at the world we live in and know matter how much someone tries to protect their children from the evil that surrounds us 24/7, at some point a child is going to experience the reality of how cruel life can be.
Exactly my thoughts, life is one big lolly lol.
one of them is a baby - how can he consent?
erm you're the one calling it pedophilia - it still happens whether you like it or not - how on earth is it anti semetic to point out that some jewish people do this?
That is life.
Animals see their children get mauled by predators all the time, does that mean they should stop reproducing, stop thriving, and ultimately and potentially cause their species to cease existence just to save their offspring from the cruelty of life?
I don't agree.
We all find out how cruel, ugly and unfair life can be Tank, but we also experience how amazing, beautiful and inspiring it can be.....a parents job is to support in the bad times and share in the good ones, teach our children hope instead of despair and showing them the beauty of life as well as teaching them the skills necessary to cope with the cruelty of life..... and hopefully the world will be better for the contribution the children we bring into this world can give.
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Some of the ignorance in this thread is unreal. I say that Christening a child should be abolished, because drowning a child in "Holy Water" is another barbaric practise in which a child should be given the right later in life which religion they choose to follow. 
Jesus still loves you!
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Some of the ignorance in this thread is unreal. I say that Christening a child should be abolished, because drowning a child in "Holy Water" is another barbaric practise in which a child should be given the right later in life which religion they choose to follow.
Jesus still loves you!
Yes, because dribbling some water on a child does exactly the same sort of permanent damage as chopping bits off their body!
Jesus, the excuses people use to justify their barbaric beliefs are frankly retarded.
I've been thinking about this, and I'm more and more against it but for a slightly different reason.
What religious parents are doing, is irreversibly marking infants in a very intimate, personal area, as being of a certain religion. This is part of an erosion/suppression of that child's individual religious identity.
I don't think circumcision is inherently a bad thing, e.g. for medical reasons it is fine, but as a way of permanently imposing a religious identity on an unwilling/un-consenting child? Makes me a bit angry.
What religious parents are doing, is irreversibly marking infants in a very intimate, personal area, as being of a certain religion. This is part of an erosion/suppression of that child's individual religious identity.
I don't think circumcision is inherently a bad thing, e.g. for medical reasons it is fine, but as a way of permanently imposing a religious identity on an unwilling/un-consenting child? Makes me a bit angry.
Indeed.I've been thinking about this, and I'm more and more against it but for a slightly different reason.
What religious parents are doing, is irreversibly marking infants in a very intimate, personal area, as being of a certain religion. This is part of an erosion/suppression of that child's individual religious identity.
I don't think circumcision is inherently a bad thing, e.g. for medical reasons it is fine, but as a way of permanently imposing a religious identity on an unwilling/un-consenting child? Makes me a bit angry.
I amazes how much some people in this thread try to avoid the fact that objectively - they are mutilating the genitals of a baby.
This thread just goes to show how religion can make otherwise rational people defend despicable & disgusting acts against innocent.
I've been thinking about this, and I'm more and more against it but for a slightly different reason.
What religious parents are doing, is irreversibly marking infants in a very intimate, personal area, as being of a certain religion. This is part of an erosion/suppression of that child's individual religious identity.
I don't think circumcision is inherently a bad thing, e.g. for medical reasons it is fine, but as a way of permanently imposing a religious identity on an unwilling/un-consenting child? Makes me a bit angry.
To be completely honest, the indoctrination of children of any religious parents in to their religion leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
I have no issue with people having religious beliefs, but bringing up a child with though beliefs taught as fact doesn't sit right with me.
Some of the ignorance in this thread is unreal. I say that Christening a child should be abolished, because drowning a child in "Holy Water" is another barbaric practise in which a child should be given the right later in life which religion they choose to follow.
Jesus still loves you!
If only we had a stupid wall of fame, where stupid posts could be forever immortalized on these forums.
Dear me.
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That's my point of view exactly.
I have no problems with anyone's belief in whatever religion or deity they choose, so long as they made the choice of their own volition. I do object to programming children who haven't developed the critical thinking necessary to make an informed decision.
Of course if we didn't indoctrinate children who were too young to know any better religion would probably die out...
Indoctrination rarely has any lasting impact on a child into adulthood...if it did then we would all still be deeply pious....
The problem is that what you are suggesting is effectively excluding a families children from what is to some Parents a fundamental part of their live's, both individually and as a family unit.
Judaism in particular is not simply a religion, it is an integral part of a Jews cultural and ethnic identity and to a lesser extent this is true of Christians also....to fully shield children from religious influence you would have to remove any and all reference to religion, including all the cultural references that inform and are integral to our cultural identity....such as Christmas, Easter, and so on...
The modern world and the way in which the vast majority of us live means than deep seated religious indoctrination is virtually impossible....unless you live in an isolated strictly controlled cultist environment, Children are exposed to a multitude of differing and opposing views.
This doesn't mean I agree with circumcision or some other practices of varying religions or secular ideologies for that matter, but I do think parents have the right to raise their children in their respective cultural and religious identities, just as parents such as I, have the right to raise their children in a secular, multicultural identity......there is a line to be drawn between raising your children within a framework informed by your own beliefs and morals and forcing them to comply to those beliefs and morals however...and every reasonable precaution should be taken to ensure the welfare and welbeing of any child is not abused, be it by religious or secular ideology.
[Damien];22258717 said:
No, that crosses a line into too much interference into how parents bring up their children. It also starts to make religion a special case, why should it be any different from any other ideology that is frequently taught to children by parents? As an agnostic/atheist the last thing I want to do is give religion more special status than it already has.