£125k payout over "Black Jelly Babies"

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cleanbluesky said:
You speak as if you've got evidence to the contrary. It seems to me that you are acusing the DM of relating two potentially unrelated events and that your reasoning for the fact that they are unrelated is the fact that it has not been explicitly stated that the events are directly related...
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It isn't a matter of having evidence to contrary, I'm basing my reply exclusively on what the article actually says as that is the only evidence available.
 
Rich_L said:
It isn't a matter of having evidence to contrary, I'm basing my reply exclusively on what the article actually says as that is the only evidence available.
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So essentially your problem is with the way in which the DM has used language, you don't think that their sentances have expressed specific causality?
 
cleanbluesky said:
So essentially your problem is with the way in which the DM has used language, you don't think that their sentances have expressed specific causality?
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Well, not so much a problem, it's excellent use of language if they intending to convey their agenda! I think the article has been very cleverly worded to infer causality in the mind of the reader, but also provides ample protection against potential defamation claims, as they can go back and say "well, the article doesn't actually say that the two claims are related" - that is purely supposition in the mind of the reader.

Yes it's pedantic but it has quite a major effect on the actual meaning of the article, as can be evidenced by the interpretations in this thread :)

Now of course, if evidence was available that the employment claim contained a racial aspect I would readily accept that, but based on the article (and previous articles on the matter), there is no evidence to support the assertion that the employment claim (and what the claim was for - unfair/constructive dismissal, harassment or otherwise) had a racial aspect.

(FWIW, I probably only noticed it because I've been dealing with quite a few defamation claims recently so have been picking up a lot of the usual tactics employed by publishers to avoid potential claims :))
 
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Jeez, racism is seen as serious as bloody suicide bombing trains in this country...

And yes, Cooney is a real second name, I know a girl with the second name...
 
cleanbluesky said:
The article doesn't state what the employment tribunal was about, how do you know it is not to do with the racism allegations?
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Because we're racist ******** !!!

oh, and ignorant etc... Seriously though, not referencing the employment tribunal, but the case between cooney and co, i feel myself becoming racist because of the ease of which "racist" is bandied about by 'coloured' people, I know not all people are like this (and infact is a massive minority), but really, whats the need. Black ******* jellybabies for ***** sake.
 
perhaps it was an elaborate plan between the 3 of them to get £40k each? Doesn't sound like the money came from the two accused of racism
 
M0t0r0la said:
I suggest you go out and do something to better your community rather than sitting on your ass making thousands of posts on a forum moaning about how bad things are :rolleyes:

People like you annoy me immensely, always the first to moan about stuff yet always the last to actually do something to change it :rolleyes:
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OK so what are YOU going to do about me then as I annoy you immensely?
Are you going to just post your ignorant garbage on a forum? Is that the best you can do?
I personally think that discussing these issues does quite a lot. I dare say that open discussion and daring to speak against the tide of criticism from the ignorant PC brainwashed morons encourages others to speak up. That might help bring about change.
So tell me, what do YOU do in your community? And what are YOu going to do about me boy?
 
Clinkz said:
Thats the wonderful thing about internet anonymity you see. Sure you could stalk me, hunt down IP logs and find out who i really am. Alternatively, you could just let it go.

My original post in this thread was nothing more than a double barrelled jovial response to the inevitable backlash of anti-pc comments that appear wherever the the term racism is concerned.

I find it even more amusing that firstly you took my post obviously out of context, and secondly, you think im somebody im almost certainly not :p

Sir, i am honoured :D
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It depends upon who you think I think that you are if you are honoured or not :)
Is this an admission of being a returnee though?
 
Rich_L said:
If you read the article (and any previous ones on the matter) the highlighted sentence is complete supposition. Nowhere does it mention he was dismissed, nor does it mention any racial aspect to the employment claim. The article uses the 2 different proceedings (the racial harassment and the employment tribunal) to give the impression the tribunal arose as a result of racial harassment, when the article actually says nothing of the sort.

Clever reporting though, as can be evidenced by the replies in this thread alone...
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Link us up then old chap :)
And yes it is "supposition". That is why it starts with "it sounds like" - a common phrase that doesn't infer that the following is fact but that on the information given so far that the conclusion seems the most likely.
Were you under the impression that it was inferring that it was fact?

However there appear (that's once again not stating it as fact) to be 2 seperate incidents. One is an employment tribunal and the other is a court case about alleged racism.
Are you saying that the employment tribunal had nothing to do with the jelly babies incident? If so then what was it about?

Could it not in fact be that the black chap is a moody, angry idiot with a kingsized chip on his shoulder who storms around accusing co-workers of racism when the mood takes him? Would you like to work with such a person? Would you employ such a person? Would you sack someone for behaving that way?
 
you know it wouldnt supprise me if this was true

sounds like just the sort of thing that most people think of as funny. What an innocent way to make fun of somebody, because hes black lets bite the heads off the black jelly babies.

it sound so utterly unoffensive, its the sort of thing people think they could get away with.

only sorry part, is that this cause was only brought because the person was black. If the person had ginger hair, and they'd been doing similar things to make fun of him, nobody would have payed any attention ....
 
cleanbluesky said:
Apparently there was a disabled person at work who was SHOCKED to find an able bodied person in the disabled toilet when they wanted to use it
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That would be me! I use the diable toilet as it is more roomy and cleaner....I apologise if i offend any disabled person...
 
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ElRazur said:
That would be me! I use the diable toilet as it is more roomy and cleaner....I apologise if i offend and disabled person...
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join the club, least they don't **** on the seat (generally cos they sit down), that and we dont have any *that* disabled at work, it's just there so that if we *did* we couldn't get sued for not having the disabled loo
 
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