14 year old arrested for bringing in homemade clock

Thekwango said:
follow a simple 'timeline' or chain of events. Eliminate the cause - the clock - and the story never exists in the first place. The school and police don't get the chance to overreact etc etc.

But yes I do get your point. I was simply pointing out that whether we like it or not the clock/box of wires is central to the story. Though I do appreciate, what happened afterwards is of more interest to most.
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If the kid wasn't born you don't have a story.

Saying the cause was the kid bringing his device into school is amost as irrelevant, just less proximate. He has done nothing wrong and should be confident in doing the same thing again.

It's akin to some people assigning the cause of a sexual assault being the innocent actions of the victim or other such pointless and irrelevant statements. The focus should always be on the people that have actually done something wrong.
 
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muon said:
If the kid wasn't born you don't have a story.

Saying the cause was the kid bringing his device into school is amost as irrelevant, just less proximate. He has done nothing wrong and should be confident in doing the same thing again.

It's akin to some people assigning the cause of a sexual assault being the innocent actions of the victim or other such pointless and irrelevant statements. The focus should always be on the people that have actually done something wrong.
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So basically only after the fact?

Gee really helped tower 1, 2, 7 and the pentagon. The London underground, Madrid train and a few French satirical artists...

We can't live in your paradise anymore.
 
muon said:
Except he has done is bring a box with wires. Brought in to show his engineering teacher.

If the school and police don't overreact, make racist remarks, question a minor without parents/representation, suspend the kid, make accusations, deny there was anything wrong with the actions taken, you also don't have a story.

I know which is actually relevant, should be focused on and needs to be changed. Fortunately so do a lot of people.
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Although after showing his engineering teacher it must have become clear to him that he had made something that looked like a bomb as why would he tell him to keep it hidden the rest of the day and not to let any other teachers see it?

So clearly the engineering teacher thought it could easily be mistaken as a bomb even though he knew it wasn't.

As far as I know it's an offence in the states to make a hoax bomb. Hence what the kid is been investigated and questioned for.
 
Greebo said:
As far as I know it's an offence in the states to make a hoax bomb. Hence what the kid is been investigated and questioned for.
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On Wednesday, Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said that Mohamed would not be charged with any wrongdoing.

“We have no evidence to support that there was an intention to create alarm or cause people to be concerned,” Boyd said during a news conference after news of Mohamed’s arrest prompted a national outcry.
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As I have said in earlier posts, the school and police have been back-tracking since the story got released. Boy makes digital clock, he uses copper wires to transmit electricity from component to component [end of story]

https://twitter.com/Shehr0ze/status/644135989623939072
 
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#idontwanttoliveonthisplanetanymore

Yeah yeah, but if we use some special software to digitally enhance the threa... I mean 'subject', we can clearly see the danger represented in this gripping first hand report, documented and released to warn all good and righteous and true patriots by a brave unnamed source, standing just mere feet from this dangerous horology extremist.

I mean, cm'on people! Just look at his dangerous jihadi eyes... It's obvious how much of a threat this guy is; just because he hides his beard and eyebrows with their secret ways used to deceive, doesn't mean he isn't exactly what he appears to be upon closer inspection.

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:rolleyes:

In all seriousness, I sometimes wonder what the world is coming to when a 14 year old nerd in a nasa t-shirt can be exposed to this kind of mindless adherence to paranoia. The commie witch-hunts of the 50's have been superseded by the war on terror. One thing is for sure, though this lad might have a lot of good things coming his way from the many sensible people who have reached out to him as a result of this debacle, he'll never forget being put in handcuffs and taken away by the police. The original photo of him, before the special digital enhancement, shows a profound alteration to how this kid sees his place in the world.
 
Greebo said:
And that is post investigation and the correct result. They investigated it and decided he had no intent.
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So a boy needed investigating for making a digital clock, which it clearly was from the get go otherwise they would have evacuated the school and called the bomb squad etc.

The police and school interrogated him without representation, took is mugshot and fingerprints and suspended him - you see nothing wrong in this ?

The boy is in the robotics club do you think he should proceed innovating / creating given the concern he may cause by using more electronics ? Or would it be best he gives up trying to better himself and his families prospects by getting an education in subjects he enjoys ?
 
The Geezer said:
So a boy needed investigating for making a digital clock, which it clearly was from the get go otherwise they would have evacuated the school and called the bomb squad etc.

The police and school interrogated him without representation, took is mugshot and fingerprints and suspended him - you see nothing wrong in this ?

The boy is in the robotics club do you think he should proceed innovating / creating given the concern he may cause by using more electronics ? Or would it be best he gives up trying to better himself and his families prospects by getting an education in subjects he enjoys ?
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its not just a "clock" though. Even his engineering teacher told him to keep it hidden and not let anybody see it.

If it just looked like a clock then he would never have said that.

Yes I think its unfortunate that you cant make some electronics in a briefcase and take it into school nowadays but its a different world.

And yes if the police have decided there are no charges to answer to with reference intent to make a hoax bomb then it would look like that school is wrong as well in suspending him unless that was just their rules that pupils are suspended until the police finish their investigations? A bit like an employee up for gross misconduct is suspended until his hearing.

And i know nothing about US police and us laws with reference to the interviewing of minors so if you say they did that wrong I'll take your word for it.
 
StriderX said:
So basically only after the fact?

Gee really helped tower 1, 2, 7 and the pentagon. The London underground, Madrid train and a few French satirical artists...

We can't live in your paradise anymore.
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Last I checked hijacking a plane or carrying automatic weapons in France wasn't legal. You have every right to focus on the cause.

Please identify in those cases an apparently innocent action which if caught would have avoided the result?
 
Greebo said:
its not just a "clock" though. Even his engineering teacher told him to keep it hidden and not let anybody see it.

If it just looked like a clock then he would never have said that.

Yes I think its unfortunate that you cant make some electronics in a briefcase and take it into school nowadays but its a different world.

And yes if the police have decided there are no charges to answer to with reference intent to make a hoax bomb then it would look like that school is wrong as well in suspending him unless that was just their rules that pupils are suspended until the police finish their investigations? A bit like an employee up for gross misconduct is suspended until his hearing.

And i know nothing about US police and us laws with reference to the interviewing of minors so if you say they did that wrong I'll take your word for it.
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It's a clock.

A home made clock.

Home made electronics often don't look like neat finished products with everything hidden away inside a sealed case so that you can't see the wiring joining different parts.

I suspect the teacher told him to keep it out of sight because he guessed that the other staff were complete idiots and wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a digital clock and a thermonuclear warhead.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has to give similar advice to people who are doing school projects required for courses who take the stuff home to do some in their spare time.

From the description of a possible bomb that was released any thing make in an IT class with electronics and two more more components connected by a cable would fit.

I've got an old fanbus that I made 15 years ago in my garage* that looks a lot more threatening than that clock given it has a digital display, buttons, an obvious relay mechanism and a whole bunch of wires.


*Assuming I didn't throw it away last time I tidied up as it hasn't been used in over 10 years..
 
TheVoice said:
No, the kid and how he was treated by teachers and police over what was largely a complete misunderstanding on their part is central to the story but apparently you're not concerned by that.

You acting the victim is genuinely classic, you invite everything you get on these forums.
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No, having some moron label me racist based upon what I said is borderline mental and there is no room for that kind of pathetic behaviour at all.

Ironic that you claim I invited that insulting slander, yet a kid bringing a device that looks like a bomb into a school and then acting shady about it, isn't inviting a chat with the police. You are genuinely LOL.

What sort of absolute bell-end wouldn't think "perhaps I shouldn't bring this obvious look-a-like movie bomb into school today, might get some funny looks". He's either retarded or thought it was amusing. Either way a lesson to be taught to him.
 
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The kid did something daft enough to be arrested for. Big hairy deal.

If he was shot, tasered or water boarded in front of his classmates; I would be able to understand the outrage.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
The kid did something daft enough to be arrested for. Big hairy deal.

If he was shot, tasered or water boarded in front of his classmates; I would be able to understand the outrage.
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He was apprehended. Not allowed to contact his parents (illegal) and taken to a juvenile centre. If this was your kid you wouldn't at all be outraged? Or does he need to be water boarded first?
 
Buddy said:
He was apprehended. Not allowed to contact his parents (illegal) and taken to a juvenile centre. If this was your kid you wouldn't at all be outraged? Or does he need to be water boarded first?
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No that not been allowed to contact his parents was wrong.

However i do not see an issue with him been detained and questioned by the police until the facts had been verified.

I know what people are saying about homemade electronics etc. but if he had turned up at the Whitehouse with that unannounced, would you not think the whitehouse security services would have detained him and questioned him over it as well? Or they would have looked at it and gone "yep thats a clock, i can tell as my dad used to make them for a living, go straight through the president is in there"
 
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