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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

Grim5 said:
Looks like only 6 games are supported atm - so it's a bit like dlss started out

If Intel intend to stick with it it will take a long time to proliferate and become a must have or a competitive advantage to amd

Of course AMD has room to do the same thing and I hope they do - we already know Windows sucks thread scheduling, not just on Intel and so its logical to think AMD Ryzen CPUs must be loosing some performance as well because of this and it could be corrected if AMD creates its own CPU thread management game profiles
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It's much less of an advantage for AMD, as only the X3D CPU's with some cores lacking the cache would benefit. Currently it's only the 7900X3D and 7950x3d.

For Intel, it benefits all CPU's with E cores, of which the majority of the CPU's feature, including i9, i7, i5 etc.

Speaking as an owner of a 7950X3D, the chipset drivers already do a good job of moving games onto the CCX with the cache, so you could say AMD already have some of this tech.
 
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throwaway4372 said:
When speccing a new build, what's the best way to ensure stability (defending yourself against mobo manufacturer shenanigans)? Is it buying a non-K cpu?

I had similar issues with my current Asus Z170 pro-gaming + 6700K build, had to do a bunch of stuff in the bios to reign in asus default behaviour. Don't want to deal with that again.
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Lots of the recent news is exaggerated - Intel K CPU's and premium motherboards such as ASUS boards are very stable and a solid choice.

If you buy appropriate cooling (360 AIO) a 13th or 14th gen i9 will run perfectly fine at stock. 99.9% of them will also run perfectly fine on "Remove all limits" profile, again as long as you have a decent case with plenty of air flow and fan RPM's set to ramp up/down according to CPU temperature.

That said, for gaming, I highly recommend ignoring Intel and going for AM5/Zen4x3d. You get the same (or better) performance, with up to hundreds of watts less heat/power consumption. Plus you can just insert a Zen5 CPU down the line for another easy upgrade.
 
0121danwilliams84 said:
I own 1 AM5 system and have used 3 and all of them have given me issues. Have a Z790 motherboard now and that has just worked. Maybe I got unlucky, but I tested a few AMD boards and they all had boot/ram issues and my Gigabyte X670E Master was unusable (I owned 2 of them and both were terrible.)
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I've used a 12900k and now a 13900k in my Maximus Hero Z690 board, no issues. Also have a 7950X3D running on a x670e Hero, no issues. Both worked out of box with defaults/XMP/EXPO with 100% stability. I've since tuned both for extra performance, though this is classed as overclocking.

Both are very mature platforms and have been well tested. If you have any issues it's likely PEBCAK, or you bought RAM not on QVL list for your motherboard, or you have faulty hardware and it's time to RMA.
 
Soulja said:
I would say my P.C is used for gaming at 4k 99% of the time. I'm guessing i should just wait until the next AMD CPUs are released and see what kind of performance they offer.
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I noticed a nice increase in minimum FPS in several games, going from 12900k to 13900k. There's a large frequency increase, large cache increase. More cores for background tasks. Solid gains.

This at 4k with a 4090 Strix @600W
 
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Glanza said:

Top comment on video:

15:05"We already replaced a lot of customer's 13900k with 14900k and the issues don't seem fully resolved."

This statement is extremely telling. 14:56 "$1,000 extra" for support is insane and really tells the whole story here. The part is not reliable. I am sure a lot of conversations are happening behind the scenes here, but based on what I've seen, Intel has not committed to fixing the issue. We can hope that it is due to incompetence but more likely they do not want to admit fault here due to the cost of "making it right"Thanks for sharing this Wendell, it will be interesting to see other news around this topic in the coming weeks.
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Replacing 13900k with 14900k? I've not heard of any widespread 13900k issues. I've used one since release with no stability issues. 14th gen however has had reports of instability, mostly related to motherboard manufactures overclocking the CPU's too high with auto/xmp settings, which is resolved with newer UEFI updates (Intel baseline profiles).

That said, I don't use my 13900k for gaming anymore, as my 7950X3D is just so superior in terms of performance and power consumption. Worlds apart.
 
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14th gen (specifically 14900k, 14900KS) are a complete joke for gaming anyway. Not sure why any gaming datacentre's were buying these when Zen4X3D is available.

Even if the CPU's were stable, AMD is just so much more power efficient. With datacentre power being so important, I'd have thought it would be a huge incentive to swap to Zen4X3D. Imagine the power saving when considering thousands of these CPU's... Mind boggling.

I think Arrow Lake and future Intel CPU's will be clocked much more conservatively.
 
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Rroff said:
Not sure what you are saying there - I'm not saying any voltage over 12th gen will degrade them fast though saying that was talking last night to someone who works in IT for an advertising agency with a lot of systems used for 3D modelling and video rendering and they reckon based on what they've seen for 24x7 full loaded anything over 1.4V, ~300A, ~280 watt is degrading chips, 1.45 for mixed use or 1.5 for gaming, but they are only seeing like 1-2 systems in 30 impacted (which is still pretty high compared to Intel traditionally) and most of those aren't right out the box rather than degrading later.



Sounds like they won't have E cores on the 12P part so will have a bit of room to play with to improve thermals/power.
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Yeah I understand that it'll not have E-Cores. Though Intel's P cores are so incredibly inefficient (on Intel '7' process) that even on 13900k, 1400k's that have E cores disabled in EUFI, the 8 P cores still consume hundreds of watts at high clocks.

Adding 4 more P cores will likely be more power and heat than losing 16 E cores.
 
Robert896r1 said:
The way intel's handled this has been shockingly poor. I'm hopeful the media doesn't lose sight of it and keep on them.

At the very least the process for RMA should be:
1. A central link that any consumer can go and download the proper BIOS for their setup
2. Clear instructions to set everything to intel specs
3. A stress test for consumers to run at anytime to check the status of their CPU
4. If the test above fails, send report via one click to a service for an advanced RMA

Anything less than above is inadequate.
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TBH I think it's been blown out of all proportion. Youtube influences and the press are pretty desperate for clicks, due to a lack of new releases, so need to generate hype when they can. Pooping on Intel is just a good way for them to do this, as it generates much traffic.

I've used a 13900k from release, 0 issues. Currently using it for work, as my 7950X3D is superior in games and uses 150-200W less power (big deal in the Summer!). Both are amazing CPU's, 100% stable (at stock and tuned/OC'd), I've had no drama.
 
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