14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

[Dave2150]

We have no solid data for MTL skus yet.

RPL is just an optimization/refresh of ADL.

If you think of it as ADL+ that’s probably fair.

+ 8 cores, increased L2, L3 cache, core architecture changes on 'E' core, new power features, improved IMC, increased clock speed, sure, typical refresh just like intel did between i7 4770k - 4790k (Devil's Caynon) right? (I'm being sarcastic for those unaware)

Of course we have AMD to thank for getting Intel into gear

 

[Dave2150]

Meteor Lake mobile spec leak

• Triple-Hybrid CPU Architecture (P/E/LP-E Cores)
• Brand New Redwood Cove (P-Cores)
• Brand New Crestmont (E-Cores)
• Up To 14 Cores (6+8) For H/P Series & Up To 12 Cores (4+8) For U Series CPUs
• Intel 4 Process Node For CPU, TSMC 3nm For tGPU
• Intel Battlemage 'Xe-LPG' GPU With Up To 128 EUs
• Up To LPDDR5X-7467 & DDR5-5200 Support
• Up To 96 GB DDR5 & 64 GB LPDDR5X Capacities
• Intel VPU For AI Inferencing With Atom Cores
• x8 Gen 5 Lanes For Discrete GPU (Only H-Series)
• Triple x4 M.2 Gen 4 SSD Support
• Four Thunderbolt 4 Ports

Hoping the new 'P' and 'E' cores have > 10% IPC

Also be very interesting to see how Intel's 7nm shapes up ('Intel 4' as they're calling it). Intels 10nm had so many issues, which delayed it for years. So far all signs point to Intel 7nm being much quicker out of the gate - lets hope yields and frequency performance are right up there!

 

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Intel Meteor Lake’s “Redwood Cove” and “Crestmont” architectures confirmed​

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-meteor-lakes-redwood-cove-and-crestmont-architectures-confirmed

The rumors about Redwood Cove architecture are dated as far back as November 2020, when it was first mentioned by Moore’s Law is Dead. This rumor is finally finding its confirmation though leaked Microsoft Perfmon logs.

According to the data shared by @InstLatX64, upcoming 14th Gen Core “Meteor Lake” will feature two architectures: the big core known as Core/Performance will be based on Redwood Cove microarchitecture, while the small/Efficient core is supposedly based on Crestmont.

Meteor Lake is a successor to Raptor Lake, a new hybrid architecture designed for desktops and mobile devices. It should not be expected sooner than next year though. This architecture will be the first consumer product series to feature Intel 4 process technology.

Furthermore, Meteor Lake is to feature an entirely new Intel Xe-LPG graphics architecture with increased core count. Intel teased up to 192 Execution Units, while recent leaks suggest it’s actually 128EU for the laptop series.

The 14th Gen Core series may also ship with a third type of core implemented into the SoC die (not Compute). Only two such low-power cores are to be used by Meteor Lake CPUs.

 

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Intel confirms 14th Gen Meteor Lake has ‘Versatile Processing Unit’ for AI/Deep Learning applications​

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-c...essing-unit-for-ai-deep-learning-applications

Intel is adding VPU to Meteor Lake and newer.

A new commit to Linux VPU driver today confirms that the company has plans to introduce a new processing unit into consumer 14th Gen Core processors, a Versatile Processing Unit.

The VPU driver is included into the Linux Direct Rendering Manager (DRM), the same way their graphics driver is integrated. The VPU appears 6 years after Intel acquired a company called Movidius, which has been developing their own VPUs. It is not entirely clear if and how Intel plans to incorporate Movidius designs into Meteor Lake, it could be a full-blown SoC-like integration or just a copy of architecture bits needed for Meteor Lake. Obviously after so many years, VPU design should be much more complex.

Thus, Intel confirms the new VPU has five components, including CPU to VPU integration unit, memory management, RISC controller, network on chip and the most important part, the Neural Compute Subsystem (NCS) doing the actual work. This VPU unit could be considered Intel’s alternative to NVIDIA’s Tensor Cores, a dedicated chip that is heavily focused on AI algorithms.

Intel Meteor Lake is now officially coming next year, eventually it should become available for mobile and desktop platforms packed with new hybrid architecture featuring Redwood Cove and Crestmont CPU cores and Intel’s newest Xe-LPG graphics architecture.

Hoping to see some performance leaks before Christmas!

 

[Dave2150]

Intel Meteor Lake iGPU might support ray tracing acceleration​

A few weeks ago Intel confirmed their upcoming 14th Gen Core series are to feature “Versatile Processing Unit” for AI and inference. Now Intel development team is revealing some details on the integrated graphics architecture.

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-meteor-lake-igpu-might-support-ray-tracing-acceleration

Hopefully this won't use more % of the CPU's die/package space that what's used currently. With AMD also sacrificing package space to include a iGPU for Zen4 I guess it's not so much of an issue, as this was a good advantage AMD had over Intel for the last few years.

 

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Meteor Lake CPUs Could Play Videos, Use QuickSync Without a GPU​

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/meteor-lake-plays-videos-without-gpu

In a surprising twist, Intel's future 14th Generation Meteor Lake CPU architecture will reportedly split video playback and encode functionality from the integrated graphics into a new area known as an SMU or Standalone Media Unit on the CPU, as reported by Phoronix. It is a significant change by Intel, which will allow media functionality to be used at all times, even if the integrated graphics chip is disabled.

Pretty interesting. Hope we get a clear date for Meteor Lake launch in the coming months. Be nice to see Intel on 7nm (Intel 4 as it'll be named) - wonder how this competes with TSMC 5nm in performance/yield/power efficiency.

 

[Dave2150]

Very interesting article regarding Intel's approach to chipsets in Meteor Lake

Hot Chips 34 – Intel’s Meteor Lake Chiplets, Compared to AMD’s

During a presentation at Hot Chips 34, Intel detailed how their upcoming Meteor Lake processors employ chiplets.

chipsandcheese.com

 

[Dave2150]

Meteor Lake continuing to be developed, it being added to various compilers as per link below.

Intel Meteor Lake "-march=meteorlake" Support Lands In GCC 13 - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Really interesting to see how Intel's first chiplet design will compare to AMD's, hopefully we won't have to wait too long

 

[Dave2150]

From everything I've read this is meant to come out around this time next year, Is that still the guesstimated ETA ?

I believe so, though would not be a bit surprised if it's further delayed, as using chipsets/tiles is such a big change for Intel.

 

[Dave2150]

Got a feeling it'll be 2024 before we see Meteor Lake on desktop. If so, Zen4 with 3D cache should reign supreme for a long time, CPU market will be boring again

 

[Dave2150]

True.
I think whatever high end CPU is bought (13900K /KS or Zen 4 V-cache), you'd need a powerful GPU like a RTX 4080 16GB to make good use of it in games.

These cost at least £1,269. Plus at least £200 for RAM, at least £200 for a motherboard. So, around £1,659, assuming you already have a sufficient power supply and an SSD. Lets say £550 for a new 8 core V-cache CPU. So, total spend is likely to be at least £2,200.

Suppose the point I'm making, is that most will be better off saving money for a decent graphics card, especially since V-cache is really only beneficial to games (and really only needed to reach high framerates of 200 FPS or more at 1080p, based on Techspot minimums for the 7700X).

Z690 + 12thgen/13th gen with DDR4, or AM4 with 5800x3d/5900/5950x with DDR4 are the only options that make financial sense for now IMO.

 

[Dave2150]

Considering how much Intel's been tripping over itself on node advancement, I'd not assume anything about it until you see it in a real product with actual volume.

10nm (Intel "7") was a disaster. Years behind schedule, kept Intel on 14nm+++x2++ for years and allowed AMD to catchup.

10nm did get there in the end, with 6Ghz achieved, something many thought would never be possible, due to a "broken" process.

What remains to be seen is has Intel learnt from it's mistakes? Will Intel "4" (7nm) take another 5-10 years before it's ready for 6Ghz+ desktop CPU's? Or will it release on time in 2023?

AMD seen to require a node advantage to compete - if Intel ever reach parity with TSMC's node (or they just decide to make CPU's on TSMC for certain models as rumoured) then AMD's in for a tough time, 3d cache or not.

 

[Dave2150]

Interesting. Very curious to see performance vs 13900k with this core configuration.

 

[Dave2150]

6P = D.O.A. for gaming. It will get absolutely walloped by Zen 4 3D and maybe even lose to 13900KS in key titles that have that 8 core scaling (see below). This is also why it's so hard to choose RPL over Zen 4, because there's so much to look forward to on AM5 even though RPL wins hard in some games over it, but Meteor Lake is just so pathetic looking for gaming.

Intel Alder Lake im Spiele-Benchmark-Test: Gaming-Benchmarks mit RTX 3090, Windows 10 vs. Windows 11

Gaming-Benchmarks: Gaming-Benchmarks mit RTX 3090, Windows 10 vs. Windows 11

www.computerbase.de

Too early to count Meteor Lake out - though Intel would have to innovate something special to make up for 2 less P cores.

 

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Intel Ahead of Schedule: 20 Angstrom Process To Enter Risk Production By 1H 2024, 18A Ready By 2H 2024

The Angstrom era is about to begin and Intel's latest roadmap shows the company is keeping a 'torrid pace' to not only stay on track - but to accelerate the delivery timeline. As the shrinking silicon fights against an onslaught of physical quantum effects, it becomes increasingly harder to...

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Intel's 4nm process is in risk manufacturing today, Meteor Lake launching in 2023?​

Intel has revealed another roadmap compiling information that already existed in the public domain and confirmed that its upcoming 4nm process is manufacturing ready. It is worth noting that the processes where the company mentions the nodes are "manufacturing ready" correspond to the timeline they expect the process to be in risk production. This means that Intel 4 is in risk production, today. Extrapolating forward, this could mean that [caution: educated speculation] Meteor Lake is not delayed as some reports had indicated and will be launching sometime in 2023, instead of 2024 - just as the company had originally planned [/ educated speculation].

 

[Dave2150]

Assuming Intel is telling the truth then they are catching up to TSMC quite fast now and will have 4nm CPUs in 6 to 12 months and 2nm CPUs in 18 to 24 months

Spells bad news for AMD - they're only competitive with Intel when they've had at least one process node advantage so far.

 

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Intel confirms Meteor Lake supports LGA1851 socket and LPDDR5X-7500 memory - VideoCardz.com

Intel Meteor Lake confirmed to feature new socket Intel has exposed some confidential information on their upcoming products. The data is not easily accessible, however titles for hidden documents are listed in a publicly available web sitemap. This was spotted by ComputerBase. Those titles...

videocardz.com

It seem 14th gen Meteor Lake will not support DDR4 so LGA1700 will be the last socket supported DDR4.

I still think keeping DDR4 support on LGA1700/z690/z790/z890 was a masterstroke by Intel. Lowers the motherboard cost, lowers the RAM cost, means the platform cost is considerably lower than a DDR5 system.

Also mind boggling that Z690 will end up lasting for so long, 12th gen, 13th gen and 13th gen refresh. Though still unconvinced 13th gen refresh will be any kind of upgrade over 13900KS, just can't see how.

 

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Flagship Meteor Lake 22-core CPU apparently cancelled as Intel could market MTL-S towards prospective Core i5/i7 gamers​

Flagship Meteor Lake 22-core CPU apparently canceled as Intel could market MTL-S towards prospective Core i5/i7 gamers

Intel announced earlier that the 14th gen “Meteor Lake” CPUs will succeed the 13th gen “Raptor Lake” chips in 2023. The architecture will be built using the Intel 4 process with separate CPU, GPU, I/O, and SoC tiles. Now, new information from hardware leaker Moore’s Law is Dead suggests that...

www.notebookcheck.net

Looks like Ryzen 7000 X3D could be the reigning gaming performance king for a long, long time.

 

[Dave2150]

Why? What does core count have to do with gaming

Meant more with Meteor Lake in general being delayed etc.

 

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Intel reiterates its plans to launch Meteor Lake in second half of 2023, Lunar Lake next year​

Intel reiterates its plans to launch Meteor Lake in second half of 2023, Lunar Lake next year - VideoCardz.com

Intel Meteor Lake and Lunar Lake up next The company confirms its plans for the 2023/2024. Intel 2H 2023/2024 plans, Source: Intel The company disclosed its Q4’22 earnings yesterday and provided an ‘update’ to its product launch schedule. This year alone, Intel will introduce two major product...

videocardz.com

Can't see the room for a "Raptor Lake refresh" between now and 14th gen release, think that rumour was nonsense, I don't remember seeing it on any of those "official" roadmap leaks either tbh