14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

[Dave2150]

Intel Meteor Lake 16-Core, 14-Core CPUs Surface In New Benchmarks​

Three different cores inside one CPU
Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-meteor-lake-16-core-14-core-cpus-surface-in-new-benchmarks

Intel continues to go down the hybrid path with Meteor Lake. Meteor Lake, which features a multi-tile design, will employ Redwood Cove performance cores (P-cores) to handle heavy workloads while saving the Cresmont efficient cores (E-cores) for simpler tasks. The design allows for maximizing performance without sacrificing power consumption. However, Meteor Lake may feature a third type of core, presently rumored as the LP E-cores (low-power efficient cores). The rumor appears to be legit since an Intel patent has shown two additional Cresmont cores inside the SoC tile, which appears to feature a larger process node.

Rumours are all over the place for 14th gen, especially for desktop. This one mentions desktop parts, though the leaked benchmarks are only showing mobile parts. Whether 14th gen desktop will be Raptor Lake refresh, Meteor Lake or Arrow lake, remains to be seen.

 

[Dave2150]

All the leaks today!

Leaked Intel roadmap lists Meteor Lake-S (6P+8E) die as cancelled​

Meteor Lake-S with 6P+8E config confirmed canceled by Intel roadmap​

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/leaked-intel-roadmap-lists-meteor-lake-s-6p8e-die-as-canceled

The canceled MTL-S part was not the only SKU discussed earlier. There were also rumors that Intel might be preparing a 6P and 16E core, which would be offered alongside Arrow Lake-S with 8P+16E configuration. The next-gen Core series may not feature more cores than Raptor Lake, but the core design will be updated for what is called Lion Cove and Skymont hybrid architecture.

 

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Intel wants to ship millions of Meteor Lake CPUs next year​

Intel wants to ship millions of Meteor Lake CPUs next year - VideoCardz.com

Millions of Meteor Lake CPUs to ship next year Intel announced its plans for Meteor Lake. Intel Meteor Lake-P processor, Source: Intel The next-gen update for client processors is now being prepared for launch. Intel is not confirming when the new Core series codenamed “Meteor Lake” are set to...

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Perhaps more interestingly, this leak suggests a new naming convention, with the end of the "nth" series. So no 14th gen, instead a mobile chip will be named "Ultra 7 1003H"

Speaking of Meteor Lake, there is a new leak featuring MTL-P (Meteor Lake-P) mobile processor. This unusually named CPU has been tested with PugetBench benchmark.

The company confirmed it will change SKU naming for the next-gen client CPUs, so the Ultra 7 1003H is one of these new CPUs, not technically ’14th Gen Core’ anymore. This mobile CPU was paired with 16GB of DDR5-5600 memory, which should be standard memory for the series. Furthermore, we can see it lists Video Card as Arc Graphics, which is a reminder that Meteor Lake will use Xe-LPG architecture, a low-power and integrated version of Alchemist.

 

[Dave2150]

Intel brought with them a laptop that had a 16 core, 22 thread meteor lake

They were showcasing its AI performance capabilities

AI chips onboard is interesting. Wonder if games will eventually use it, more advanced AI for NPC's would be most welcome

 

[Dave2150]

MLID on that 15th Gen arrow lake hype

Reiterating there will be no gaming meteor lake CPUs, it's for laptop applications. In late 2023 Intel will released a refreshed Raptor lake which has higher clocks, higher power draw and lower voltages, along with supporting faster memory.

Arrow lake coming later in 2024.
i9 15900k specs: 40 cores, 8P and 32E, built on TSMC 3nm and Intel 2nm. 40% higher single core performance over Raptor lake refresh and 50-60% higher multithread performance over Raptor lake refresh

If true, Z690 owners are in for a real treat. Three generations of CPU supported, that's approaching AMD levels of longevity. My Maximus Z690 Hero is working out to be good value lol!

Good to see Intel's 7nm in actual use for consumer products also, really wonder if it can do high TDP desktop chips this/next year, else we'll be seeing Raptor Lake refresh for many months before Arrow Lake launches.

 

[Dave2150]

I don't think 40% ST uplift is possible. It's more likely that mlid is full of.....you know what.

40% ST would be another conroe moment, believe it when I see it

 

[Dave2150]

If they get 40% I might do what I wasnt planning on and drop my AM5 platform for a 15900k, Nvidia GPU's are becoming really hard to drive even at 4k and we need really fast CPUs to handle even faster Nvidia cards

Yeap, especially with RT on at 4K, really pummels the CPU.

I'm currently using my 7950X3D rig for games and my 13900k/z690 rig for work. The AMD rig has the best power efficiency for games by far, while the Intel rig has the best idle/very low load power efficiency (around 20-30w lower than my 7950x3d).

Very curious to see where Raptor Lake refresh will end up - if still on 10nm, I just don't see how they can further improve the clock frequency much at all, without turning it into a 500w CPU (500w max load, prob 200w in games)

 

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Intel's next-gen Panther Lake CPUs rumored to feature Cougar Cove architecture - VideoCardz.com

Intel Cougar Cove cores for Panther Lake According to Moore’s Law is Dead, Intel has developed a new core design that might end up in a future Core series CPUs. Meteor Lake and Raptor Lake Refresh Intel has introduced some changes to the roadmap of their client CPUs. It looks like the Meteor...

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Intel’s next-gen Panther Lake CPUs rumored to feature Cougar Cove architecture​

IF true, desktop 15th gen Arrow Lake with 8P & 32E on TSMC's 3nm should be a beast - will also be the first time in many years that Intel will be competing with AMD on the same node. For the last few years, AMD has had a process node advantage.

Still, Intel has a mountain to climb. Zen4X3D remains the clear gaming choice, due to insane power efficicency and mostly the same performance as a 13900K/KS.

 

[Dave2150]

Thank you, I've been saying this for years but people act like it's not true. Intel is much more efficient for the majority of day to day workloads.

Just more efficient at idle/low load use cases. For gaming, AMD is monstrously more efficient.

 

[Dave2150]

The 3d ones specifically, from a 13900k yeah, I know, I had one. From a 12900k, again - the 3d ones, are around 20% - 25% more efficient. Not bad, not great

12900k is "slow" though compared to 7800x3d/7950x3d/13900k, so doesn't matter if it's lower power. Zen4X3D still lower power, much more performance.

 

[Dave2150]

Exactly, a significantly more efficient processor with much better performance, a clear victory.

Yeap Zen4X3D can't be beaten in games, incredibly efficient.

Intel still wins for idle/low core usage power though, something to note if you're PC spends hours a day doing this.

 

[Dave2150]

It is if you are playing on 1080p with a 4090, but I don't.. That's why I basically went back to my 12900k, there was literally 0% difference in performance while the 13900k consumed around 80% more power. Actually id be interested in seeing how much your 3d consumes in normal 4k gaming, cause id imagine it's not that much different to my 12900k. I expect exactly similar performance with exactly similar power draw, but you are mroe than welcome to prove otherwise

4090 needs the fastest CPU possible, even for 4K. Throw in RT at 4K and it becomes even more important. 12900k is not fast enough to get the most out of a 4090. 13900k is, but guzzles power. Zen4X3D sips power, while performing the same. GG

 

[Dave2150]

Maybe the colleague above spends most of their time in idle mode , personally, I don't. I bought a computer to use it, not to watch it.

I work from home, where I connect to my work environment via VPN, so no compute is done on my side. Thus, for my working week, my 13900k is very low power draw, which I like. My 7950x3D uses around 25W more for the same (practically idle) workload. That's the only scenario Intel still has the upperhand.

I expect Intel to surrender it, once they move to chiplets designs with Meteor/Arrow Lake.

 

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Gigabyte adds "next gen" support to LGA 1700 motherboard, pretty much confirming 14th gen will be Raptorlake refresh.

B660M AORUS ELITE DDR4 (rev. 1.x) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

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They may refrain from calling it 14th gen. At least for the i9, it's very likely going to be a very underwhelming part. They can't add cores, features, so it'll just be slightly higher clocks with even high power consumption. That's unless they put Raptor Lake onto 7nm, though that would be too drastic.

I expect the i7 to be a 8P & 16E core config, with reduced clocks. So basically 14700k being a 13900k. Same treatment for the i5 etc.

 

[Dave2150]

Raptor lake refresh looks set to be announced on 19 September

Intel will also show updated cpu and gpu roadmaps

Intel Innovation 2023 set for September 19, Raptor Lake Refresh launch? - VideoCardz.com

Intel sets a date for the Innovation 2023 event for September 29 The Innovation is not strictly a product showcase event. The company has set a goal to gain interest from developers (hardware and software), architecture, technology managers, researchers, and influencers. It is not a typical...

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Very interested to see Raptor Lake refresh - I think it'll probably go down as the worst refresh ever. It just can't compete with Zen4X3D, based on what we know

 

[Dave2150]

11th gen v2?

Worse - 11th gen was a new architecture that had an IPC increase. Raptor lake refresh looks to just be higher clocks, at the expense of even higher power consumption. The elephant in the room is the DVRL (Digital Linear Voltage Regulator), which if enabled, may reduce power consumption - though this remains to be seen.

Either way, a very boring refresh, more akin to Haswell > Devil's Canyon, which was pretty pathetic.

 

[Dave2150]

Maybe the refresh will be based of chips like this .... 5.8Ghz P / 4.7 Ghz E@ 1.150v for a KS , the refresh should potentially be better than this

Still insanely high gaming power draw compared to Zen4X3D, no amount of binning will alleviate that.

 

[Dave2150]

And the 3d is insanely slower on anything else but games so...

Buy both like me and profit?

 

[Dave2150]

Should have bought a 6700k, has very low power consumption!

 

[Dave2150]

Another Intel Meteor Lake-P CPU spotted, Core Ultra 7 1002H features 16 cores and 22 threads - VideoCardz.com

Another Core Ultra CPU spotted Intel preparing its Meteor Lake CPU series to launch in the coming months. The newly discovered Core Ultra 7 1002H is not the first Meteor Lake mobile chip to surface. The formerly found SKU called Core Ultra 7 1003H quickly sparked a debate about eventual Intel...

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According to Intel, the Meteor Lake CPU series will be released in the next half of 2023. Intel has an Innovation event planned for September, which is where one should expect updates on 14th Gen mobile and desktop CPU series among other things.

Hopefully we'll get 100% confirmation on whether Meteor Lake is laptop only and if Raptor Lake fresh will be named 14th gen or not. New naming scheme for laptops really does suck