14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

[Dave2150]

Intel’s new branding for Meteor Lake Core CPUs revealed​

Better than I was expecting. Still curious how they'll name rocket lake refresh on desktop (14th gen?) or whether that will get the new naming scheme too.

 

[Dave2150]

Do you mean Raptor Lake?

Is it reckoned that the refresh for RL will work on both the 690 and 790 boards currently sold? Even tho Asrock have announced a refresh for their Z790 boards around August.

Yeah, rumours are that 14th gen will be Meteor Lake for laptops, but Raptor Lake refresh for desktop. Not sure what they'll end up naming raptor lake. 13970k would be appropriate, as it's going to such a minor and likely terrible refresh.

 

[Dave2150]

Intel Core i9-14900K and “Raptor Lake-S/HX Refresh” to use old Core series branding​

Intel Core i9-14900K and "Raptor Lake-S/HX Refresh" to use old Core series branding - VideoCardz.com

Intel’s next desktop CPU to be called Core i9-14900K Yesterday, Intel unveiled its new branding for the Intel Core series of products. This announcement was lacking details what will happen with the desktop series. What was mentioned by the Intel presentation and multiple reports covering the...

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[Dave2150]

Really curious to see what 14th gen desktop (Raptor Lake Refresh) ends up as. It's got high potential to be the highest TDP CPU of all time, even more ludicrous power consumption than the 13900KS.

If the DLVR (Digital Linear Voltage Regulator) is included and does end up reducing power consumption, this could be interesting.

The only way I can see this being good, is if Intel have secretly improved their 10nm process. 10nm+++ etc. We need 30-50% power consumption reduction just for it to be able to compete with Zen4 in games.

 

[Dave2150]

Haven't tested it myself but I've heard the 13900ks is much more efficient than the normal 13900k. Of course it depends on bin lottery but I've seen some crazy ks scores with much lower power draw than the normal 13900k. I've seen 42k CBR23 score at 200 watts, my normal K was pulling 270-280w for that score. The difference is pretty huge

Mods - please stop him trolling. The 13900KS, at stock, is more power hungry than the 13900k, this is a simple fact confirmed by multiple reviewers:

 

[Dave2150]

The block function is a powerful feature, I have done it, you should try it too, it will make your forum much cleaner. And we agree on the power consumption, it is enormous, and if Intel manages to significantly reduce it without compromising performance, it would be a tremendous success worthy of releasing a new series. Currently, they are simply non-competitive, and even the dead platform doesn't work in their favor (I don't consider refreshes with 5% better performance and 40% higher power consumption as a sign of platform vitality).

Problem with the ignore feature is that you can't see threads started by those you ignore. So if they create a "big" thread, like for a GPU generation/CPU generation, you literally can't see the thread.

I think it better to wait for mods to take appropriate action, it can't be long as Bencher refuses to compare stock vs stock. At stock, the 13900k and KS consume enormous amounts of power. Raptor Lake refresh may further increase this, which would be completely ridiculous.

 

[Dave2150]

Intel's 40-core Arrow Lake CPU (8P + 32E) rumoured to be on shaky ground - and may not turn up until 2025

Intel's 40-core Arrow Lake CPU rumored to be on shaky ground - and may not turn up until 2025

If it arrives at all, because the latest from the grapevine on Twitter is that Intel is struggling with the processor, and may abandon it yet.

www.tweaktown.com

Not good news if this delay is true. Raptor Lake refresh is very likely to be the most worthless refresh we've seen for decades. The 13900KS already has monstrously high power consumption, the main way for a refresh (without new architecture, process) to achieve more performance is binning for higher frequency.

500W for 14900k perhaps? 13900KS already consumes over 400W, with out of the box settings on popular motherboards (all limits removed). This until Arrow Lake in 2025? Very worrying.

 

[Dave2150]

Pc gaming is in a lul. It's looks like no next next Gen GPUs till 2025 so maybe no next Gen CPUs till 2025 either

Market is over supplied with old and current Gen parts, cost of living is killing discretionary spending and many countries are flouting with a recession. That makes companies not want to launch new products anytime soon. Anything that does launch will be very minor improvements over current stuff to keep cost down, with no real next Gen products coming for the next two years

PC gaming is amazing for me, plenty of excellent games that fully utilize my 4090. I've played through A Plague Tale: Requiem, Cyberpunk, Resident Evil (remake) 2-4, Elden Ring and now Diablo. All look superb in 4k HDR on my LG OLED. Also have many others lined up ready to get into.

Had my 4090 since release day on October 13th. For the amount of entertainment it's got me, it's was a great buy. Look forward to 5080/5090 next year, or possibly 2025.

 

[Dave2150]

Intel confirms Arrow Lake-S & Lunar Lake CPUs will support instructions for AVX-VNNI, SHA512, SM3, SM4 and LAM​

Intel confirms Arrow Lake-S & Lunar Lake CPUs will support instructions for AVX-VNNI, SHA512, SM3, SM4 and LAM - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arrow Lake-S appears in instruction set reference guide Intel has just updated its “Architecture Instruction Set Extensions and Future Features” last month, which confirms what instructions will be supported by upcoming processors. The guide confirms that both series will support a range...

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The guide confirms that both series will support a range of instructions, including AVX-VNNI-INT16, SHA512, SM3, and SM4 focusing on AI workloads and hashing functions.

The inclusion of AVX-VNNI in the Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake CPUs is particularly noteworthy. This instruction set extension enhances the performance of neural network inference workloads by providing a specialized capability for 8-bit and 16-bit integer operations. This means that applications utilizing artificial intelligence, machine learning, and deep learning algorithms can expect a boost in processing speed and efficiency.

The Arrow/Lunar Lake family also appears alongside Sierra Forest and Grand Ridge with support for Intel Linear Address Masking (LAM) instructions. It allows software to make use of untranslated address bits of 64-bit linear addresses for metadata.

No AVX-512 seems strange to me, wonder if/when Intel will reintroduce this to mainstream. Probably when their TDP is under control.

 

[Dave2150]

Time will tell but an educated guess would be Intel are giving it a higher power budget.

It's remarkable how far Intel have really fallen from grace, back in the 90's and 00's they were industry leaders for process node innovation and churned out new CPU's and designs like clockwork but now their fallen behind the Chinese and their CPU's are revised models of existing chips clocked to an inch of it's life.

Will be very interesting to see what will happen once Intel start making the flagship CPU's on TSMC's latest node. Arrow Lake CPU tiles are rumoured to be TSMC 3nm after all.

I assume we'll then have both AMD Zen5 and Arrow Lake both on TSMC 3nm - sharing the same process for the first time in decades. AMD have been used to always having a process advantage; will Intel match power efficiency once this is no longer the case?

 

[Dave2150]

I would be happy with either of those chips tbh Mine is SP 100 overall with P-core at 109 and E-Core at 83 & 72 MC so pretty much bang in the middle according to igor lab report on 13900k SP binning he done , it happily does 5.7Ghz / 4.6Ghz and 7600Mhz if needed..... 6.1Ghz all core is a no go though which is why i am interested in the new refresh and what it can do. Maybe they will do 8000Mhz easily with 9000Mhz being obtainable by good chips and the best stretch to 10k... also the higher speeds may only be achievable on the new Z790 boards ( they need an excuse to sell them after all ! ).

Difference between 6600Mhz and 8000Mhz etc is less than 1% in most games. Only really worth it if you enjoy memory benchmarking/records etc.

 

[Dave2150]

yeah i agree , blind test will not tell the difference between 6600mhz & 8000mhz BUT some games do scale with ram as can be seen in the vid HUB did testing different configurations with the 13900K, i was actually surprised at some of the results tbh .

Interesting , Hopefully compatible with current gen of MB although with my Hero being a 2DPC board probably taps out around 7800Mhz anyway Its annoying Asus choose to only do the APEX in that White/Silver theme , had they done a black version then would have 100% snapped one of them up ... i wonder if the new Apex will go back to black

That's at 1080P. At 4k, 6600Mhz and 8000Mhz are identical. I think it's been around 10 years since I gamed at 1080P - display technology has advanced since then. 1440P was great for years. I've had 4K, with games running ~ 100FPS on an LG OLED ever since the 3090 launch and would never go backwards!

1080p is great for benchmarks, competition and world records. Memory benchmarks are also very fun and competitive.

 

[Dave2150]

14700k prob be the only "winner" with the 4 extra 'E' cores. 14900k with just 100 or 200Mhz more clock will be very disappointing.

 

[Dave2150]

Too good to be true. The i9 12900k ends up worse than an i5 in the span of 2 years. That's a huge leap if true.

Huge leap in power consumption, compared to the competition.

 

[Dave2150]

In all seriousness, regarding gaming efficiency, no way in hell they can contest the 3d chips. Best case they will be a little bit better than 13th gen (if they keep the same clockspeeds), worse case they will consume the same or even more if they push clockspeeds.

In productivity 13th gen is already great (assuming you don't run them power unlimited 4096w unlimited tau etc.), despite what amd fans keep saying. Especially the midrange parts were already - easily winning against amd in efficiency so if the leaks are true about the extra cores on the i5 and the i7, the gap will be even bigger in productivity efficiency between i5 vs r5 and i7 vs r7.

I don't get why you keep trolling after being suspended once already? 13th gen is extremely power hungry in all applications. Ryzen 7000X3D is much more efficient in all applications, this is a simple known fact. I'm comparing stock vs stock here.

 

[Dave2150]

The 13700k is 50% faster in MT performance while consuming same watts as the 7800x 3d. The extra cores will definitely make it age better in games compared to the 7800x 3d with it's 8 cores, 8 cores belong in 2020.

Mods - Bencher trolling again with incorrect information.

7800X3D is hugely more efficient than the 13700k at stock. Performance wise they trade blows in productivity, while the 7800X3D is the faster gaming CPU. Here are actual numbers from the techpowerup review

 

[Dave2150]

Cool story bro, "trade blows". The 3d trades blows with the i5 12600k, chill man

In the roundup of productivity tests, yes they trade blows, though Intel uses over double the power to do so and thus is hugely inefficient. Stop trolling, it's not even funny any more.

 

[Dave2150]

In the chart you just posted the 7800x 3d loses (barely, but still) to the 12700k. How can it possibly trade blows with the 13700k if it can't even beat last gens i7? In fact, it loses to the 12700k, it loses to the 13600k, and it loses to the 12900k.. The 13700k is faster than all of those. Rofl


Does the 13400f trade blows with the 7800x 3d? Cause the 7800x 3d is as much faster from the 13400f as the 13700k is from the 7800x 3d. Stop trolling man

252W vs 77w. That's a huge difference. The fact that the 7800X3D outperforms it in games and then also trade blows in some productivity benchmarks, makes it clear which is the best CPU.

 

[Dave2150]

Arrow Lake engineering sample benchmarks appear. It's not known what version of the engineering sample it is nor what clock speeds it ran at.

in the benchmarks, the arrow lake cpu appeared in single core show scores that were 6% to 21% higher than a 13900k. There is a GPU benchmark as well forbthe iGPU and it's score was 240% higher than the 13900k

Intel Arrow Lake-S to be 6% to 21% faster than Raptor Lake-S, Xe-LPG graphics show up to 2.4x improvement - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arrow Lake-S up to 21% faster than Raptor Lake CPU Igor’sLAB recently obtained an internal presentation from Intel revealing performance projections for the upcoming Arrow Lake-S, the next-generation client platform. Although the platform’s launch is still some time away, the discussed...

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If these numbers are true, Arrow Lake and Intel's 4nm/20A and Arrow Lake (15th gen desktop) are dead in the water. Zen5 should wipe the floor.

 

[Dave2150]

But it doesn't trade blows. In every mt it gets rofl stomped.. What it trades blows with is the 12600k.

The power draw difference doesn't matter. If you don't need that extra performance that the 13700k offers, you can also run it at 77w. It will still be faster than the 7800x 3d, lol

Read the review, it does trade blows in some productivity workloads. It's also the clear winner in gaming:

I'll bow out now, as this is just derailing the thread, which is always your intention @Bencher. Have at it with yourself from here on out.