14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

[Dave2150]

These new gens seem to come around far too often it feels like 13000 was yesterday

It's only a new gen on paper. For the i9, it's just a 200Mhz bump, which you'll not notice unless in isolation in benchmarks.

The i7 is more exciting, but then again a used 12900k or 13900k will probably be cheaper and pretty much identical performance.

 

[Dave2150]

I disagree, partially anyway. The 14700k will be a decent upgrade from my 12600 non K. More cores and faster clocks without changing platform seems like a win to me. I am sure others in a similar position to me and thinking about upgrading to a 14700k from a lesser cpu will also agree. Anyone on a 12900k/13900k going to a 14900k would be a waste of time and money though.

Those on 12th gen will save far more £ buying used 13th gen CPU's.

 

[Dave2150]

Only problem going with 14th Gen is no upgrade path after unless you change the motherboard. One reason I went with AMD 7800X3D (should arrive this week), AM5 gives me the upgrade path down the road. I was in same boat as some of you guys ie do I wait for 14th Gen or Ryzen next year, anyway think I went the right choice. Regardless nice upgrade for me from my old Intel i5 2500k CPU, got my moneys worth out of that overclocked CPU .

Last thing I do prefer air cooling rather then AIO, Ryzens do run a bit cooler then Intel, so that was another reason in my case.
Upgrading is not always clear cut and many reasons to consider when you do go Intel or AMD .

Price is a big factor. You can pickup Z690 boards, cheap 12th or 13th gen CPU's and use your old DDR4 RAM, for a much cheaper total cost than going new with AM5.

 

[Dave2150]

I'm sure you could say the same thing for AM4 for a cheaper solution, besides DDR5 is going to be the norm for awhile (pricing has dropped on DDR5) so glad I jumped on DDR5 wagon for now, will last a bit longer then DDR4 for future upgrades.

As I said in my previous post, lots of things to consider when upgrading, what is right for one person is not right for somebody else.

You're moving goalposts quite a bit there. We're discussing upgrading to the (similar) performance offered between AM5 and LGA1700 setups. Whilst the performance is similar, the price is not, as Z690 boards are dirt cheap and you can re-use your DDR4. AM5 just cannot offer this.

Of course you're right about different products and price points being right for different people - this is obvious and I didn't suggest otherwise. I'm personally using a 13900k for my work system and a 7950X3D for my gaming system, both with DDR5.

If I were on a budget however, I'd personally be using a used 12th, 13th gen CPU, DDR4 and a cheap Z690 board, this can't be beaten on price for the performance offered. If I wanted to drop further in budget, and give up additional performance, then AM4 with a 5800x3d and ddr4 would be the next rung of the ladder.

 

[Dave2150]

I'm not, you are only stating what I said, ie every person has different needs, price wise both Intel and AMD have cheaper solutions, as I stated in my case the AM5 platform with DDR5 is the better option for me, I've already stated my reasons. Remember I' going from Intel to AMD so like you I choose the best option for my needs regardless of brand.

I should say I'm a gamer period so no need for office or other usage needs .

Remember Z690 board you have not got much of an upgrade path, so you will end up buying another board down the road, AM5 with DDR5 for me feels like a better alternative with better cpu support, so I save my money that way ie not needing a motherboard upgrade for quite awhile . (I'm sure you can see my logic there).
So to recap for the last time what is right for you on a budget does not mean it's right for somebody else, plenty of users out there would find a reason not to go Intel and you have to respect their decision and vice versa.

I don't think you read my posts fully? Personally, I own both a AM5 7950X3D system (for gaming) and a 13900k/z690 system for work. Both with DDR5.

My point was that z690/12th gen/13th gen is much more performance per £ at many lower budget options. I'm not saying YOU should have bought anything, that's obviously completely up to you. There's just no getting out of the fact that Z690/DDR4/12th/13th gen is very cheap and can't be matched on AM5 currently (with the same performance).

I think we should leave it here now, we're taking over the thread

 

[Dave2150]

Agreed!......Btw it'll be interesting to see if both AMD and Intel with regards to 13th Gen do a price cut. I guess time will tell. I wonder how temps will go with 14th gen, I'm one of the few that hate AIO coolers.

Yeah I can't stand the pump noise from an AIO for when I'm working, or watching media. For my gaming rig I don't mind an AIO, since I'm always in-game on it, with headphones, where I don't notice the noise.

I think it'll be the used 12th, 13th gen that are the really good deals. We'll probably see 13900k's going for £250-350 there abouts, which will be incredible deals.

 

[Dave2150]

Only annoying thing for me upgrading to 14th gen is updating the bios. I'm gonna lose all my settings for memory overclock and all the little tweaks i've made so i need to make a screenshot of everything before i do so then reapply it all and hope it holds!

Hopefully Z890/AM6 boards from ASUS will have the ability to save UEFI profile to disk, then just load from that post update. Gigabyte offer this already I believe.

 

[Dave2150]

MSI Z790 MAX BIOS feature increases Intel CPU throttling temperature to 115°C - VideoCardz.com

MSI solution for overheating Intel CPUs is increased throttle threshold temperature MSI is adopting a new feature for its Z790 MAX motherboards. A screenshot from the ACE MAX motherboard BIOS reveals a new addition to the OC settings, termed “CPU Fast Throttle Threshold.” This functionality is...

videocardz.com

Apparently 14th gen is now certified to boil water.
14th gen will let you save money by working as CPU AND water kettle for those who enjoy tea while gaming!

If true, 14th gen will be able to hold boost clocks for longer. 6Ghz (single thread) will be sustained if the CPU won't throttle until 115C.

I wonder if reviewers will be instructed to turn on this feature?

 

[Dave2150]

Weirdly no preliminary prices from ocuk either. Usually see some preorders up by now or some update on the website anyway.

They were listed days ago but taken down after being posted to Videocardz, you posted it yourself lol

OCUK listed £579 apparently for the 14900k.

Full list here:

Intel Core i9-14900K to cost £579 according large UK retailer - VideoCardz.com

Intel Raptor Lake Refresh listed by OverclockersUK It is less than one week before Intel launches its third generation of LGA1700 series. OverclockersUK, one of the largest retailers in the United Kingdom, has now listed the Intel Raptor Lake Refresh CPUs. This retailer is known for releasing...

videocardz.com

Some interesting info from videocardz assuming the prices are actually correct.

• Core i9-13900K → Core i9-14900K: £569.99→ £578.99 (+1.6%)
• Core i9-13900KF → Core i9-14900KF: £539.99 → £559.99 (+3.7%)
• Core i7-13700K → Core i7-14700K: £399.99 → (missing)
• Core i7-13700KF → Core i7-14700KF: $379.99 → £398.99 (+5%)
• Core i5-13600K → Core i5-14600K: $299.99 → £319.99 (+6.7%)
• Core i5-13600KF → Core i5-14600KF: $278.99 → £299.99 (+7.5%)

 

[Dave2150]

Next question is motherboard support.

Not a question, if it physically fits (LGA-1700) it'll work with BIOS update. BIOS updates available for all boards.

 

[Dave2150]

I'm guessing we are not really expecting any efficiently improvements? Hopefully undervolting is worth while.

Have a 12700K which I have toyed with the idea of swapping but I undervolted, kept the power limit to 180W and cooled with a Noctua U12s. Not really interested in upping the power, although admittedly it rarely runs flat out to hit this.

Nope, plenty of confirmations (techpowerup etc) that silicon is 100% unchanged, no DLVR, nothing. Literally just a 200Mhz bump over the 13900k, the same CPU as a 13900KS. 0 noticeable difference outside benchmarks.

 

[Dave2150]

Will be waiting for the 14900KS this time , currently more than happy with the 13900k

No confirmation that 14900KS exists at this point. Power draw would be astronomical for 6.2Ghz

 

[Dave2150]

Gibbo stated they have 'plenty' of stock.

Yeap I'm pretty confident they'll have stock for everyone that wants one. It's exactly the same CPU as a 13900K, just with a 200Mhz bump that's hardly noticeable even in benchmarks. No chance of being able to notice it yourself in games/applications.

 

[Dave2150]

That’s good to know they will be shipped today. I ordered last night at 7.30 and it’s still saying allocated but I’m hopeful it’ll come tomorrow along with the other items I ordered

If you have free shipping with OCUK, it's much safer to order each component individually. Speaking from experience, OCUK will hold back the order even if one £2 item on your order goes out of stock.

 

[Dave2150]

when is arrow lake coming ?

Next year, we don't know when.

 

[Dave2150]

This is why Arrow Lake (Intels real next gen) will be so interesting, it uses TSMC 3nm for the P cores. First time AMD and Intel will compete on the same process node in a very long time.

 

[Dave2150]

Arrow lake uses like 3 different process nodes, one for each chiplet. So you can't just state a single number that's not how it will work

Guess you missed where I wrote "P cores use TSMC 3nm" in my post that you quoted, as per the leaks we've had for months.

 

[Dave2150]

Well, this brings me ever closer to switch to AMD for the first time in my life...
I was intrigued by Intel's heterogeneous architecture with 12th gen and was hoping it laid the foundation for basically a mini SOC approach, instead it turned out in "let's throw more e-cores at the problem"...

E cores are awesome for productivity. What's not awesome about 12, 13th and 14th gen, is the insane power draw compared to Zen4/Zen4X3D.

 

[Dave2150]

That's my plan, sit on this 7600 for a while and drop in an 8800X3D once the initial price premium has subsided. That should be good for a long time.

Problem with that is no-one knows the performance of Zen5 vs Arrow Lake. Either could be significantly better/faster than the other, meaning any "plan" you have now is a total guess, rather than some master plan.

 

[Dave2150]

I mean at least its not as bad as 11th gen, that was truly a waste of sand.

11th gen was actually faster in games compared to 10th gen, it had a new architecture, higher IPC, but less cores.

13th-14th is literally the same CPU, with a tiny clock bump that is at best single digits faster. i7 is the only decent offering, but needs a price cut.