15 months for Stuart Hall, pleaded guilty to 13 assualts

piggeh · 17 Jun 2013 at 20:22

I tend to agree with you Burnsy (that he had rehabilitated himself well before any of this came to light, so a prison sentence wouldn't really be as justified as someone who continued to commit crime), except I don't know about the concurrent sentencing malarky. That doesn't make much sense.

Busa · 17 Jun 2013 at 20:38

piggeh said:
I tend to agree with you Burnsy (that he had rehabilitated himself well before any of this came to light, so a prison sentence wouldn't really be as justified as someone who continued to commit crime), except I don't know about the concurrent sentencing malarky. That doesn't make much sense.

Rehabilitated himself?...he sexually abused young girls for years and thought he had gotten away with it. It makes no difference to me that he is now 83, he should have been given at least 3 years.....oh and the victims cant even get compensation unless they make it a civil matter thanks to today`s judge.....Hall even put his house in his wife`s name because he didn't want to pay compensation!

Burnsy2023 · 17 Jun 2013 at 20:47

Busa said:
Rehabilitated himself?...he sexually abused young girls for years and thought he had gotten away with it. It makes no difference to me that he is now 83, he should have been given at least 3 years.....oh and the victims cant even get compensation unless they make it a civil matter thanks to today`s judge.....Hall even put his house in his wife`s name because he didn't want to pay compensation!

Why 3 years? What good would that have done?

Also this is a backtick: `
This is an apostrophe: '

I think you are getting them confused.

Busa · 17 Jun 2013 at 20:55

Burnsy2023 said:
Why 3 years? What good would that have done?

Also this is a backtick: `
This is an apostrophe: '

I think you are getting them confused.

The attorney general is looking at the sentence to see if it was unduly lenient so there is hope yet.

Yes very grown up of you to critisise my lack of typing skills :rolleyes:

Burnsy2023 · 17 Jun 2013 at 20:56

Busa said:
Yes very grown up of you to critisise my lack of typing skills

It's a pet hate of mine, not related to the discussion.

Anyway, you never answered my question: what would a 3 year sentence do that the 15 month sentence won't?

Akagi · 17 Jun 2013 at 20:57

Disgusting...

Also... Where even is the backtick on the keyboard? O.o You use it constantly in the place of an apostrophe and I can't even find it

Burnsy2023 · 17 Jun 2013 at 20:58

acme15 said:
Disgusting...

Also... Where even is the backtick on the keyboard? O.o You use it constantly in the place of an apostrophe and I can't even find it

Top left, above the tab key.

Akagi · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:00

Burnsy2023 said:
Top left, above the tab key.

Ah thanks. I forgot that key existed. :rolleyes:

So he is serving a fortnight for each offence... How can anyone see that as justice?

Wizzfizz · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:01

Joke of a verdict, he should have got more than 15 months (He won't even serve that).

Busa · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:02

Burnsy2023 said:
It's a pet hate of mine, not related to the discussion.

Anyway, you never answered my question: what would a 3 year sentence do that the 15 month sentence won't?

It`s called a more appropriate punishment for his child abuse and maybe now that it`s being looked at he may get more jail time.....enough back ticks there for you?

Burnsy2023 · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:02

acme15 said:
So he is serving a fortnight for each offence... How can anyone see that as justice?

Justice or retribution? They're not the same.

Akagi · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:07

Burnsy2023 said:
Justice or retribution? They're not the same.

Either, both, whichever. Retribution.

Burnsy2023 · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:12

acme15 said:
Either, both, whichever. Retribution.

Personally, I think revenge is a unconstructive concept. I would prefer someone was prevented from reoffending through either rehabilitation or if that isn't possible custodial sentences to prevent them reoffending.

deuse · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:17

Burnsy2023 said:
The maximum sentence the Judge could have ordered was 5 years (before considering any guilty pleas). After reading the judgement, I don't think 15 months was unreasonable.

So 5 years in jail for each one is fine by me...oh sorry this is the UK.

deuse · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:23

Burnsy2023 said:
Personally, I think revenge is a unconstructive concept. I would prefer someone was prevented from reoffending through either rehabilitation or if that isn't possible custodial sentences to prevent them reoffending.

You do know we have the highest re-offending rate the UK has ever known? it's 44.4%.

Burnsy2023 · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:27

deuse said:
You do know we have the highest re-offending rate the UK has ever known? it's 44.4%.

Yes, and perhaps the sentences for many career criminals should be longer, but that's not the case for the subject of this thread.

The Running Man · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:28

Burnsy2023 said:
Personally, I think revenge is a unconstructive concept. I would prefer someone was prevented from reoffending through either rehabilitation or if that isn't possible custodial sentences to prevent them reoffending.

What is it about rehabilitation that you believe?

Burnsy2023 · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:29

The Running Man said:
What is it about rehabilitation that you believe?

I believe it's A) possible and b) the best end result.

KautoStar · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:29

Is Burnsy a policeman?

The Running Man · 17 Jun 2013 at 21:31

Burnsy2023 said:
I believe it's A) possible and b) the best end result.

I'm just going to be lazy and wiki this

Rehabilitation theories present however the following deficiencies:

First, there is no sound scientific research to determine how different individuals react to the same rehabilitating methods.

Second, rehabilitation may depend more decisively on the individual psychological background, hence on his particular motives to commit crimes, than on the rehabilitating methods or philosophy.

Third, a rehabilitation program may prove to be too costly and complex to be successfully implemented and utilized in most countries.

Finally, rehabilitation must refer to the sociological findings on the socialization and resocialization processes, as change in lifelong socially acquired patterns of behavior and values entails a much more complex – and sometime traumatic – change on the individual's structure of character.

In short, the notion that the UK prison system is there to systematically rehabilitate anyone and everyone is a notion based in nothing but idealistic folly.

Of life would be wonderful if we could simply rehabilitate every felon. Thing is, we are kidding ourselves by even trying in many cases.