15 Year Old Shoots His Mum & Sister Dead & Calmly Tells 911 About It!

Bullfighting was an example, i thought that was being banned now? :confused:

My point was more directed at culture can be changed, of course it can. Culture is being changed and bent all the time, it's ever evolving.

Again, you seem to think i believe that guns should just be banned overnight or something. Of course you couldn't do that, like you say, it would leave a huge proportion of people unable to defend themselves against the non law abiding criminals. But that doesn't mean America shouldn't impose stricter gun laws, you would be ween them off it so to speak.

Not that I've ever heard of....Its been banned in one small area according to google, but still all cool in like 90% of the country.

Culture evolves, sure...It doesn't just completely reverse its core principles though. Unless something huge happens like losing a war and being occupied etc.

Well everyone is welcome to their opinion. Personally I think stricter gun laws will do nothing to help the situation in the US. The only people that obey gun laws are those who obey the laws. Criminals don't tend to. The gun used in the story we are discussing was stolen.
 
US has something like 90 guns per 100 people..Mainland UK is like 6 per 100 or something...and NI has a tiny population so it doesn't really have much of an affect..

Personally id say that is relatively few. If you think differently good for you.

I was pointing out that for a pop of 1.6 million people over 300k registered guns is a lot.
 
Not that I've ever heard of....Its been banned in one small area according to google, but still all cool in like 90% of the country.

Culture evolves, sure...It doesn't just completely reverse its core principles though. Unless something huge happens like losing a war and being occupied etc.

Well everyone is welcome to their opinion. Personally I think stricter gun laws will do nothing to help the situation in the US. The only people that obey gun laws are those who obey the laws. Criminals don't tend to. The gun used in the story we are discussing was stolen.

Sure, looks like we've gone full circle. :p

I agree essentially it shouldn't have an effect on gun crime, if someone is going to shoot someone they will find a gun somehow.
 
When someone can show the percentages of bull's kept in average Spanish people's homes, then we can talk about bullfighting being banned as culture change.

It would be like boxing being banned here, its part of our history but not really our culture, its a sporting event, so is bullfighting, nothing more or less.

What so many people(but a surprisingly higher amount in here than normal) people don't get is the USA was born in a completely different circumstance to the UK. WE had wars without guns back in the day, america was born in revolution on a wild frontier where people had guns. Then we sent out army, who were armed, and their citizen's took up arms, but everyone had them, to fend off cattle rustlers, those pesky american indians who acted like they owned the land they lived on for thousands of years, to shoot snakes and loads of other dangers.

if the UK was either unoccupied, or invaded by a more advanced culture in the past 200 years, we'd have a very heavy gun culture here also.

That's just the way it is, you can't change that with gun laws now, everyone has them already, if you ban guns and round up all the ones legally held by law abiding/sane people who would hand them back.... criminals will still have all their guns.


Anyway, what else in this thread, Florida mansions for 100k aren't good value.... because you won't get insurance(probably if its THAT nice a house for that cheap) and you'll have to rebuild it every time a big hurricane goes past..... a mil here for a mansion that could last a couple centuries is better value than a $100k mansion in hurricane ally that you have to rebuild every 4-5 years ;)

Anyway, guns don't kill people, people do... look up Canadian gun ownership numbers vs gun deaths there. America is overly violent, its got problems, it may be easier to KILL someone if you have a gun, its not easier to decide to murder, you're pretty much capable of it, or not, if you're capable, seriously without being too morbid, nor giving you idea's. Would it really be hard to stab your mum while no one is home, then get your sister when she comes home? Not least the fact that it happens frequently worldwide anyway.

hell, poison is a much easier weapon to use to kill people, slip poison in the family meal, guns, while its easy to pull a trigger, still takes aim, still means standing there and pulling a trigger and seeing a pretty horrible sight afterwards. People don't think its easier to put poison in food, leave the house, run away not even have to see them die?

From what I remember also, a larger portion of gun crimes in america are suicides than murders....
 
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