Caporegime
17 year old girl allowed to kill herself Legally
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In a strange way, I think people who become chronically depressed essentially find modern developed societies under-stimulating.
I understand that it is a known phenomena that depressed people, when confronted by a real crisis. and By that, I mean the sort of life/death survival situation that we have spent millions of years evolving to cope with like an earthquake, tsunami, tornado, combat, and so on rather than the sort of things that people do get depressed about in the modern developed world, actually tend to snap out of it and perform really rather well.
They (We
) may well have the genes that allow them to cope with life/death struggles such as competing with a lion for an antelope, But totally lack the capacity to cope with the day to day drudgery of filling in Tax forms etc and find such everyday modern stresses utterly soul destroying. :/
Man of Honour
Trama can be managed, but it's usually at the cost of quality of life. There is a judgement call over whether someone would prefer that lower quality of life or to end it in a dignified manner. That judgement call should be exclusively down to the person who's life it directly affects and not anyone who just wants an opinion on the matter.
so we let everyone who's suicidal kill themselves because they know best?
Man of Honour
If that's what they want and they've had plenty of time and space to make a considered decision, why should anyone have the right to stop them?
(not that you said contrary ...)
I don't think we have any details on her particular case, but, generally, like other medical conditons isn't there a rise in awareness, as opposed to an absolute increase ?
but, maybe Zuck should share some responsibility, for adolescent depression, facilitating propagation of idealised life expectations.
Equally I don't think footballers/the princes/'celebrities' discussing their depression helps, they do not have enough maturity/introspection to acknowledge their nonetheless privileged positions (financial / medical resources), so their experience may well be different to the majority .... and, the media, or medical professions, have not really called them out. I had thought Alistair Campbell's opening up, was the most candid/honest.
i would argue that they are not in the right state of mind to make such a decision - people do recover from these states with the right treatment.
Man of Honour
I'd also say that someone can make a perfectly logical and reasonable decision to end their own life. You don't need to be mentally ill to be suicidal.
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You should actually ask some of the medical community who work in mental health what their opinion is, I think you'll find it a real eye-opener. You'll find that they know full well that there are people who are beyond the current capabilities of neuroscience to help in any effective way - we can't even treat things like anorexia, depression and PND with any consistency.
It might not seem like an important distinction, but it is - she didn't commit suicide. She refused life-saving medical treatment with the mental capacity to know that it would result in her death. It might not seem like much of a difference, but for most countries it very much is. It's surprisingly difficult to force medical treatment on people if they are judged to have capacity.
The gift is life itself given by god. What we do with it is another matter.
We have no right to take our own life (seven deadly sins).
No doubt you’ll be confused at my response as well lol
Life is precious.... it can’t be thrown away.
Thank you, yes!
I suggest that dystopian suicide clinics that encourage healthy young people to off themselves is a bad thing, and some smug ultra-atheist ultra-nihilist ultra-humanist fwits immediately rage that I'm complicit in the sadistic torture of a 17 y/o girl.
The key word is smug for this lot. The smug oppression that the materialist self-determined humanists insist on as they broadcast their message with absolute certainty that they have transcended the concept of hope or change, and anyone who thinks differently is to be viciously denounced.
Let me flip this on its head.
If someone can explain their reasons for dying, what right do you have to keep them alive against their will?
What right does anyone have over a person who wants to die, to prevent that wish?
Why do your "rights" trump their right to do as they wish with their own life?
The trouble is you're looking at that girl and seeing a "healthy young person", when the reality is she was not healthy. She was terminally ill, mentally.
Unfortunately what this thread shows is that some people don't view mental illness as illness at all, but something you can snap out of/shake off after a while, then (being completely cured) be a perfectly "normal" person for the rest of your days.
Some people will never be cured. Accept that. Some people can only ever pretend to be normal on the outside, but mentally they are screaming/drowning all day every day. Some of us even have experience of living with that.
And those people have a right to decide when enough is enough.
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I am slightly confused by your post. None of the 7 deadly sins mention suicide....
This thread really shows we have a long way to go with mental illness.
a lot of people still think because its not physical or cab be managed /cured.
And of course we were going to get the religious views in here.
I never really understand the life is precious thing if you are atheist to the point where you go against someone's wishes to end it when it will end anyway at some point and you won't remember anything anyway
a lot of people still think because its not physical or cab be managed /cured.
And of course we were going to get the religious views in here.
I never really understand the life is precious thing if you are atheist to the point where you go against someone's wishes to end it when it will end anyway at some point and you won't remember anything anyway
I simply cannot afford to believe that. If i did i would already be dead.
i can assure you i have known what thats like for a long time.
Caporegime
That'll shout not kill...
longshot
Soldato
That’s one of the commandments. Not a deadly sin. The 7 deadly sins are;That'll shout not kill...
Lust
Sloth
Gluttony
Greed
Wrath
Envy
Pride
None of which have anything to do with what that dude was talking about. Guessing in his frothing he got the commandments and sins mixed up. Trip back to Sunday school needed for them me thinks.
Soldato
Which one of the above seven deadly sins are you referring to or are mixing your commandments and sins up?