1800X to 7700K ?

voidshatter · 30 Jul 2017 at 19:09

gavinh87 said:
Multicore is the future, like it or not that 4c8t will be obsolete.

I've been hearing about this claim for over a decade since the dual-core era. Like it or not, under-4GHz is already partially obsolete for gaming today. 4790K is a very ancient CPU, and anything underperforming it is not the best choice for gaming.

gavinh87 · 30 Jul 2017 at 19:26

voidshatter said:
I've been hearing about this claim for over a decade since the dual-core era. Like it or not, under-4GHz is already partially obsolete for gaming today. 4790K is a very ancient CPU, and anything underperforming it is not the best choice for gaming.

You do talk some **** lol. Neither is the 7700k the best for gaming. The frametime measurements show this.
I bet the mood will change when coffeelake arrives and then 6c will be the minimum people recommended.

voidshatter · 30 Jul 2017 at 19:30

gavinh87 said:
You do talk some **** lol. Neither is the 7700k the best for gaming. The frametime measurements show this.
I bet the mood will change when coffeelake arrives and then 6c will be the minimum people recommended.

Where are the frametime numbers then?

Yes, when Coffee Lake is announced (provided that it can TurboBoost for at least 4.5GHz for single-thread), Ryzen will further lose bragging rights.

gavinh87 · 30 Jul 2017 at 19:40

voidshatter said:
Where are the frametime numbers then?

Yes, when Coffee Lake is announced (provided that it can TurboBoost for at least 4.5GHz for single-thread), Ryzen will further lose bragging rights.

In any properly threaded game the i7 loses out. Why? Because 4 cores are not enough anymore, not with the increased overhead from every windows version.

On that same website the 6900k beats both despite being clocked lower. clockspeed can only help so much. You need both, recommending a quad core now is madness.

voidshatter · 30 Jul 2017 at 20:17

gavinh87 said:
In any properly threaded game

How many games are we talking about? Does that number exceed 10% of all AAA games not older than 3 years?

gavinh87 · 30 Jul 2017 at 20:34

voidshatter said:
How many games are we talking about? Does that number exceed 10% of all AAA games not older than 3 years?

Who buys for the past? Its happening now and anyone that wants a cpu to last as long as the 2500/2600k did should be looking at 6/8 cores now.

Phage · 30 Jul 2017 at 20:40

Not sure of the problem. Intel is moving away from 4/8 as well as AMD.
If you're looking to the next few years both companies are telling us that more cores is better.

The 7700k is no doubt the better gaming processor right now, but red and blue teams are moving away, and one is substantially cheaper.

voidshatter · 30 Jul 2017 at 20:47

gavinh87 said:
Who buys for the past? Its happening now and anyone that wants a cpu to last as long as the 2500/2600k did should be looking at 6/8 cores now.

It doesn't have to be in the past. You name a year in the future, and we look into the period between that year and three years before that year.

gavinh87 · 30 Jul 2017 at 20:55

voidshatter said:
It doesn't have to be in the past. You name a year in the future, and we look into the period between that year and three years before that year.

This could go on, you keep your 4c and we shall see how you get on when things like anthem come out.

humbug · 30 Jul 2017 at 21:08

gavinh87 said:
In any properly threaded game the i7 loses out. Why? Because 4 cores are not enough anymore, not with the increased overhead from every windows version.

On that same website the 6900k beats both despite being clocked lower. clockspeed can only help so much. You need both, recommending a quad core now is madness.

Yeah that looks smooth, looks like the 7700K here is about as smooth as sandpaper....

Maybe with all its threads loaded up its not having a great time.

voidshatter · 30 Jul 2017 at 21:29

gavinh87 said:
when things like anthem come out

So that means you agree to look into AAA games released between 2015-2018?

voidshatter · 30 Jul 2017 at 21:34

humbug said:
Yeah that looks smooth, looks like the 7700K here is about as smooth as sandpaper....

Maybe with all its threads loaded up its not having a great time.

One frame of one game out of the many games is worth the trophy of Ryzen

gavinh87 · 30 Jul 2017 at 21:34

voidshatter said:
So that means you agree to look into AAA games released between 2015-2018?

BF1, the division and others all use more than 4 cores

voidshatter · 30 Jul 2017 at 21:36

gavinh87 said:
and others

You should name them definitively. Then we'll get it from there.

Doobedoo · 30 Jul 2017 at 21:39

Lol we've already been over this before with zornyon please let's not go around this again.

gavinh87 · 30 Jul 2017 at 21:50

Doobedoo said:
Lol we've already been over this before with zornyon please let's not go around this again.

And look where he went when x299 flopped lol

Doobedoo · 30 Jul 2017 at 22:01

gavinh87 said:
And look where he went when x299 flopped lol

Shhh he might come back lol

gavinh87 · 30 Jul 2017 at 22:03

Doobedoo said:
Shhh he might come back lol

What if he and void are the same guy?

Tinfoil hats at the ready.

~>Dg<~ · 30 Jul 2017 at 22:06

x99 is faster than ryzen in battlefield.coffelake should be and intel x299 definitely faster than both.whether that means games will be faster in the future who knows.was a video also at ryxen launch where they showed ryzen again x99 and they were alt tabbing at same time there was slight delay also on the ryzen system which made me laugh as he was trying to talk about similar frame rates

ideally older i5 users or before push upto more cores now.we can comfortably say there is big yields.especially on minimums.

Doobedoo · 30 Jul 2017 at 22:09

gavinh87 said:
What if he and void are the same guy?

Tinfoil hats at the ready.

Who knows, who cares?