2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

[Boycey0211]

Criticising ocuk and waving around accusations will only cause the thread to be closed. However much you feel you're right.

Fair point, I'm not even hinting that the thread should be closed but a little bit of sense applied to the posts saying thousands of people should be murdered wouldnt go amiss.

At what point does it stop being internet hard-man stuff and something worth reporting? I don't know if they're joking or not.

 

[Caged]

So what would you have us do? Ban/suspend/remove posts/people for posting Daily Mail-esque statements?

If you think these people are being serious, rip them to pieces with a decent debate/argument. If you think these people are being clowns like most of us think they are, block them.

It is your duty, and that of others that disagree, to condemn such statements and make it clear that you think their opinions are millimetres above that of what pond-life may think rather than just complain and ask for censorship. The more people see how ignorant posts exist, the more people will debate against it and convince people that such statements/behaviours are unacceptable.

Let us be sensible for a second and realise that 99% of the statements are keyboard warrior blanket statements with very little actual belief behind it.

It's interesting that you assumed I wanted people censored, because I don't.

If you want a family friendly forum then you need to accept that audience will include people who don't realise that people aren't actually wishing death on migrants, and will instead take it at face value. Or just give up on the 'family friendly' tag, get rid of the word filter and judge posts on what they add to the forum, not what letters make them up.

 

[Mr Badger]

Probably very few or none. Pick another paper than the DM

What if they are Ebolas?

 

[Craig1981]

Numbers of police should be heavily ramped up and shoot on sight orders should be issued for any illegals. Once the body bags started mounting up, they'd start to get the message their not wanted here.

Harsh? Indeed. But I honestly don't think anything short of that will ever make these people stop.

 

[Rimsy]

Clearly the French and British governments need to have a grown up talk very quickly. Why these hordes aren't being processed and deported is confusing though or is there a good reason?

 

[ThundyCat]

Numbers of police should be heavily ramped up and shoot on sight orders should be issued for any illegals. Once the body bags started mounting up, they'd start to get the message their not wanted here.

Harsh? Indeed. But I honestly don't think anything short of that will ever make these people stop.

Not sure if serious.

They should be clamped in irons and returned home.

 

[helpimcrap]

This was always the threat of creating the tunnel in the first place. Great piece of engineering and occasional glimpses of great trade but you have to weigh it up.

Shame we can't close the tunnel and look at the bigger picture. Forget trade with Europe and deal with the world!

 

[koolpc]

Stopping them at source is the best thing but i guess that is hard to police too

 

[Maccapacca]

Clearly the French and British governments need to have a grown up talk very quickly. Why these hordes aren't being processed and deported is confusing though or is there a good reason?

They usually can't be deported because they destroy or don't have passports. There's no where for them to go.

All we need is a few hundred troops in a non forces uniform using all the equipment and dogs they have speeding up the checking process to clear the back log. Problem being they will have to be on the French side which I suspect has plenty of its own political problems and may just encourage the French to take a back seat.

 

[helpimcrap]

Clearly the French and British governments need to have a grown up talk very quickly. Why these hordes aren't being processed and deported is confusing though or is there a good reason?

The French are trying to deport them - to the UK!

And fine drivers for the privilege of being caught I'm guessing...

The UK's biggest fears about the tunnel are being realised....

I'm all for the nearest safe country taking in immigrants if their country is at war or a natural disaster/disease or something. The should be a world fund to help those countries out initially. There's a world council?

 

[Guest2]

I think everyone needs to watch a few episode of Ross Kemp Extreme World before commenting on migrants. Especially the one on Honduras. There is another on Calais

http://news.sky.com/story/1426302/ross-kemp-extreme-world-visits-calais-jungle

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/dft6mc/ross-kemp-extreme-world--series-4---3-honduras

Ross discovers how armed drug gangs have taken over many parts of the country, forcing thousands to flee north on a freight train that transports migrants through Guatemala and across Mexico into the United States. But it's an arduous journey and not for the faint-hearted. Even if passengers avoid falling off the roof of the train to their deaths, they face being robbed by bandits, raped, murdered or kidnapped and sold into slavery.

Put yourself in their position (and not behind a keyboard knuckleduster!) if it was that dangerous in your country, wouldn't you try to leave?? (and it must be damned bad if people are willing to die trying)

 

[Roar87]

I think everyone needs to watch a few episode of Ross Kemp Extreme World before commenting on migrants. Especially the one on Honduras. There is another on Calais

http://news.sky.com/story/1426302/ross-kemp-extreme-world-visits-calais-jungle

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/dft6mc/ross-kemp-extreme-world--series-4---3-honduras



Put yourself in their position (and not behind a keyboard knuckleduster!) if it was that dangerous in your country, wouldn't you try to leave?? (and it must be damned bad if people are willing to die trying)

They're in France mate

 

[Django x2]

I have to wonder if this was ever considered a possibility back in the 90s, like a risk assessment. I'm guessing not.

without going patriotic, historic battles were won simply by who had the best castle in the best location with the biggest moat around it. Using that analogy, the UK has always been powerful for that exact reason. No one could get to it easily. We've simply gone and left the drawbridge down and told all the archers to high 5 and break open a Fanta.

If it ever closes, (not sure it will), I wonder if, in 200 years time, someone will stumble across this deserted tunnel with thousands of dead bodies in it.....you know, after Zombie attacks and viruses kill all of us....

On my many French travels, the Calais locals used to laugh about Sangatte, sadly all they now tell me is that to the rest of the country, Calais is now called Sangatte. House prices are dismal and locals are leaving in their hundreds for relocation with jobs elsewhere. It won't be long before it is 80% migrant, then the French really will have no choice but to man up.

It's a simple process. Stop them coming up from Spain / Italy and make it Spain / Italy's problem. Span / Italy stop them coming across and it becomes North Africa's problem = problem solved

 

[scorza]

I think everyone needs to watch a few episode of Ross Kemp Extreme World before commenting on migrants. Especially the one on Honduras. There is another on Calais

http://news.sky.com/story/1426302/ross-kemp-extreme-world-visits-calais-jungle

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/dft6mc/ross-kemp-extreme-world--series-4---3-honduras



Put yourself in their position (and not behind a keyboard knuckleduster!) if it was that dangerous in your country, wouldn't you try to leave?? (and it must be damned bad if people are willing to die trying)

Yeah - parts of the world are really, really nasty but it doesn't alter the fact that the UK is not the world's social security.

Also - how many of them are Moslem jihadis, who want to turn the UK into the same kind of hell-hole they've just left?

 

[Guest2]

They're in France mate

Yes, Calais

 

[Xordium]

Yeah - parts of the world are really, really nasty but it doesn't alter the fact that the UK is not the world's social security.

Also - how many of them are Moslem jihadis, who want to turn the UK into the same kind of hell-hole they've just left?

No-one said it what but we have signed international agreements that state how such things are dealt with.

As to the latter I am guessing not many if any. The extremists we have a problem with tend to be born in the UK.

 

[Guest2]

Yeah - parts of the world are really, really nasty but it doesn't alter the fact that the UK is not the world's social security.

Also - how many of them are Moslem jihadis, who want to turn the UK into the same kind of hell-hole they've just left?

Not trying to defend them but many other countries also have their fare share of illegals

http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005235

What dont they like about France I wonder?

 

[ianh]

I can't help but notice that virtually all the people I see on either TV in Calais getting in the back of trucks & trains or here in Kent at the side of the road are mainly 18-40 year old men, no women or children (although there must be some).

So I wonder if the countries that the majority are coming from will soon have a "missing" generation as so many leave?

 

[Malevolence]

Send in a snatch squad under the cover of darkness to bag and tag a load of 'em, and then nail 'em to crosses along the the road to the port as a warning to the others.

 

[scorza]

No-one said it what but we have signed international agreements that state how such things are dealt with.

As to the latter I am guessing not many if any. The extremists we have a problem with tend to be born in the UK.

These signed international agreements never foresaw a migration phase such as the one we're currently suffering though. Plus what do you do when our European partners aren't playing ball by adhering to the agreements they signed up to? Practically every European country has basically allowed the migrants to go wherever they want - as long as it's out of their country.

We sure do have a problem with home-grown jihadis but I'm not convinced there isn't a threat from these migrants either. The Islamic State has threatened to fill these med boats with jihadis to expand the fifth columns across Europe - remember that boat where all the Christians got thrown overboard?