2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!
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I think the British public has little sympathy for them now, the more news that gets reported like this the better. People are tired of being forced to pay for these selfish economic migrant scroungers, we don't owe anything to these leeches.
You don't actually think that they've roamed around in France long enough to form an opinion on it do you?
They don't care about France, Italy or any other 'safe' country they've traversed whilst making their way towards England, it's paved with gold here in the land of milk and honey don't you know.
I don't blame anyone trying to get here to improve their way of life of course, just generous Governments and human traffickers perpetuating the rumours of Utopia.
I think you are being naive here scorza. The people that signed the international agreements most likely saw the potential problems and chose to not be that bothered when they knew full well it would keep various things ticking over and not directly impact them.
Yes there is a potential risk. I agree with you here. I personally think we are an island, and an island with friendly borders, and there is no excuse to be having problems.
But as Fox has highlighted there is a perception of a golden land awaiting for people that speaks a language the whole world is taught to speak. I saw this often enough - Heathrow > Hillingdon > Central London Hospital > £100k per year in medical treatment and social care. There are no checks. The problem is actually much larger than people realise because of the way things are coded. All the actual projected figures are nowhere near the actual cost.
The problem is unless we become very brutal, thereby becoming like those we allegedly rail against, we are stuck. People supported vaccination programs that led to population explosions, people gave money to famine relief that kept those population explosions going, people supported governments that failed to check the problems in these countries, etc.
The fundamental problem here for me is the foreign policy is implemented by the US and it just doesn't work. Ethically speaking less harm is done when these dictators are in power - yes they persecute, rape and murder 10's of thousands per year but they never caused carnage on the scale that is leading to these exoduses. There was a lot to be said for divide and conquer. Some people just have things in their nature - by gene and environment - to think you can change that is stupid. To think you can keep a lid on it in the quest for corporate success was naive. However, they probably were never naive and knew what they were doing and followed the money trail.
Genuinely disgusted at some/most of the replies in this thread. I appreciate that this needs sorting out (I work for a big international courier so know the knock on effects), however people saying "gun them down" etc is just abominable.
People are so callous to other's circumstances. I'm fine Jack so anyone else who's in a worse position than me can stuff it!
Disgraceful what the media have done to this country!
People are so callous to other's circumstances. I'm fine Jack so anyone else who's in a worse position than me can stuff it!
Disgraceful what the media have done to this country!
This is what gets my goat really up ! 
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"And in a further deepening of the crisis, Mrs May faced a serious set-back in the courts as senior judges banned a fast-track detention scheme used to process migrants who reach Britain and claim asylum.
The key ruling means it will be much harder for the Government to remove migrants, as it emerged more than 300 foreigners detained under the scheme have already had to be freed by the Home Office."
Anger management time for me!
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"And in a further deepening of the crisis, Mrs May faced a serious set-back in the courts as senior judges banned a fast-track detention scheme used to process migrants who reach Britain and claim asylum.
The key ruling means it will be much harder for the Government to remove migrants, as it emerged more than 300 foreigners detained under the scheme have already had to be freed by the Home Office."
Anger management time for me!
Couldn't we tackle it with technology?
Install "Migrant-b-Gone" device into every trailer.
Install "Migrant-b-Gone" device into every trailer.
- Device outputs 180db siren noise constantly when truck is above 35mph (so doesn't annoy people when its stationery).
- Device produces tear gas from a tank in the container triggered by movement sensor.
- Device emits blinding, disorienting strobe-light when siren is activated
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Because a topic promotes inflammatory remarks it does not make it non family friendly. I agree I wouldn't want young people being influenced by these opinions or seeing them as acceptable, but deleting it or removing it is basically just that, censorship.
Even if young people are introduced to racism/bigotry I'd hope that they could distinguish between what is and is not deemed the right way to behave/react.
I do not want to start to act as the thought police when people are perfectly capable of contributing well. I'd like to give the membership the benefit of the doubt that they can self moderate.
The rules on family friendly is just an encompassing expression to try and allow a bit of flexibility with people posting but without it turning into a tit for tat arguments using lots of slang/swear words and keeping an inclusive atmosphere as best we can.
If we're not getting right, please feel free to drop me an email with examples of things that we get wrong. It works both ways, we apply the rules to try and keep the peace, but there is a bit of discretion involved too. I think being overly prescriptive will do more harm than good.
People naturally will troll or at least exaggerate or just be a bit daft online I'd rather just assume that than start censoring / editing / deleting every post that is a little inflammatory.
It's quite funny the comments coming from the more right wing religious types in this thread though such as Koolpc. Your religions supposed to teach compassion, charity and a generally humble nature in regards to caring for fellow humans...instead what you get is put them in a pit of lava or the likes. pffft! The Feeding the multitude story obviously hasn't rang in your soul/heart.
Always surprises me that religious people tend to be right wing when surely the idea of being religious should push you more to the left.
Hypocrites the lot of you!
Always surprises me that religious people tend to be right wing when surely the idea of being religious should push you more to the left.
Hypocrites the lot of you!
This is what gets my goat really up !
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"And in a further deepening of the crisis, Mrs May faced a serious set-back in the courts as senior judges banned a fast-track detention scheme used to process migrants who reach Britain and claim asylum.
The key ruling means it will be much harder for the Government to remove migrants, as it emerged more than 300 foreigners detained under the scheme have already had to be freed by the Home Office."
Anger management time for me!
Got a link to that mate? Grinds my gears too.
I can't help wondering how many of you people bemoaning the immigrant crisis were also against Labour's ID card system that they scrapped after undue pressure from the human rights brigade. I was often the sole voice of reason during those times and predicted that the lack of ID cards would result in increases in illegal immigration to this country. Looks like my predictions were right.
/flame on.
/flame on.
I'm not sure you quite see how making the argument that you want to give the benefit of the doubt to people to allow them to self moderate runs totally counter to a word filter set to a level of strictness that would be more at home on an Aol chat room from the 90s.
But whatever, the point has been made before and I can't see it changing any time soon. I'm not going to start reporting posts where a swear word has been edited out because I won't have any idea of what was edited out, and the nature of it being an edited post means it's now been edited to reflect an OcUK level of acceptability. And like yourself, I don't believe in censoring people so I won't be reporting things just because it might upset me.
Can you explain to me how the the adoption of an ID card system in the UK would have prevented the situation in France?
Makes it more difficult to operate a black economy.
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Just get a few ED209's set up around the borders of the UK, that'll learn em.
I'd put money on the people employing illegals knowing exactly what they are doing.
A compulsory ID card system just makes it harder to claim that you didn't realise they weren't eligible to work in the UK, but it's not like it's tough to verify that status.
I just think it's tragic that these peoples' lives have come to this. Yes it is an issue and yes it needs to be dealt with but there are far more humane ways of doing it. These people come from war torn countries, many will have lost family to war and crime, they will be malnourished, uneducated, and in many cases exploited and abused. Lots of people in this thread seem to think that these guys are waking up and going "i feel like going to britain lol, lemme get my bike" when in reality many of them have been fighting ailments and suffering of all sorts for decades. To them this isn't a holiday, it's an escape, light at the end of the tunnel (in a few cases, literally).
The only course of action in my book is to stick them all on boats and send them back. Make sure there is enough food on the boats for them to eat healthily before they get back, maybe a medical team on each boat, and perhaps some form of education, whether it be a pack of books or something else which could potentially provide long term benefit to them. Make sure they understand that despite their living conditions we are not in the position to accommodate them, and then lock down the French borders once and for all. This would more than likely be cheaper than how it's being handled right now and not only do we get a clear tunnel, we also get a clear conscience, they get a small taste of the western world and France gets to say they stood up for something.
And never go on holiday to Africa ever again, because now they'll know how wealthy we really are.
The only course of action in my book is to stick them all on boats and send them back. Make sure there is enough food on the boats for them to eat healthily before they get back, maybe a medical team on each boat, and perhaps some form of education, whether it be a pack of books or something else which could potentially provide long term benefit to them. Make sure they understand that despite their living conditions we are not in the position to accommodate them, and then lock down the French borders once and for all. This would more than likely be cheaper than how it's being handled right now and not only do we get a clear tunnel, we also get a clear conscience, they get a small taste of the western world and France gets to say they stood up for something.
And never go on holiday to Africa ever again, because now they'll know how wealthy we really are.
I think any attempt to resolve this issue at France is a waste of time. It needs to be handled at the almost non-existent borders where they are getting into the EU in the first place.
Unfortunately a lot of countries seem to believe that if people are just moving through then it's not their problem to sort out.
Unfortunately a lot of countries seem to believe that if people are just moving through then it's not their problem to sort out.
One of the most important reasons Labour's ID cards was rejected was because the legislation itself made NO provision for the Police to demand it as a means of ID. If that wasn't written in, then the whole thing was and would have been a complete waste of time and money. It was of course left out deliberately, because Labour was fully aware it would offend the ethnic minority's that it was hoping would support it in the next election.
Let's not pretend that ANY government ever looks for the long term well being and security of the population as a whole, all ANY of them ever do is think of there next term in office.
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