2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

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kitfit1 said:
One of the most important reasons Labour's ID cards was rejected was because the legislation itself made NO provision for the Police to demand it as a means of ID. If that wasn't written in, then the whole thing was and would have been a complete waste of time and money. It was of course left out deliberately, because Labour was fully aware it would offend the ethnic minority's that it was hoping would support it in the next election.

Let's not pretend that ANY government ever looks for the long term well being and security of the population as a whole, all ANY of them ever do is think of there next term in office.
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Well then we should have no problem introducing ID cards under this Tory government then, this time with provision for the police and civil protection teams to demand it as proof of ID.
 
scorza said:
Makes it more difficult to operate a black economy.
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Any chance you could elaborate? That doesn't really explain how it would have prevented illegal immigrants traversing France and then attempting to storm the UK borders as they are doing now.

I can only see how it would be of use for controlling immigration on UK soil, which makes your claim that your predictions were right in the context of the current situation, a bit of a leap.

Lets also not forget that you came up with the gem...

scorza said:
Anyone else think Africa and Africans were better off when they were ruled by European empires?
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...so you'll excuse me if your self proclamation of being a "voice of reason" comes across as a bit misguided.
 
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SciNeT said:
Economic migrants in two lines.

I'm a disloyal coward
I'll move to another country for free money
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lol if you're deluded enough to believe you would honestly stay in your dump of a home country out of a sense of loyalty than take a chance at a better life.
 
scorza said:
Well then we should have no problem introducing ID cards under this Tory government then, this time with provision for the police and civil protection teams to demand it as proof of ID.[/QUOTEE

One would hope so scorza.....................................but after spending the last 57 years on this planet.......................i some how don't think so.
Far too many vested interests and that oh so delicate matter of not offending ANYONE (that may feel offended)..............................other than most of us that live here, earn our living and pay tax of course.
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Caged said:
I'm not sure you quite see how making the argument that you want to give the benefit of the doubt to people to allow them to self moderate runs totally counter to a word filter set to a level of strictness that would be more at home on an Aol chat room from the 90s.

But whatever, the point has been made before and I can't see it changing any time soon. I'm not going to start reporting posts where a swear word has been edited out because I won't have any idea of what was edited out, and the nature of it being an edited post means it's now been edited to reflect an OcUK level of acceptability. And like yourself, I don't believe in censoring people so I won't be reporting things just because it might upset me.
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Then things won't change if you don't tell us what causes you issues.

So I don't get your issues. Feel free to email me if you want to discuss further.
 
Conscript said:
Any chance you could elaborate? That doesn't really explain how it would have prevented illegal immigrants traversing France and then attempting to storm the UK borders as they are doing now.

I can only see how it would be of use for controlling immigration on UK soil, which makes your claim that your predictions were right in the context of the current situation, a bit of a leap.

Lets also not forget that you came up with the gem...



...so you'll excuse me if your self proclamation of being a "voice of reason" comes across as a bit misguided.
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Lack of a black economy = less motivation for illegal immigrants to come to the UK.

It was only a question - I look at what's going on in places like Eritrea, Somalia, Zimbabwe and wonder if things were ever that bad for Africans that were part of the British empire.
 
itchy said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11769718/Calais-crisis-live.html

We cannot win no matter what! :mad:

Someone in very high power is in favour of this. No its not tinfoil hat gear the seems to be a underlying agenda. :confused:

Law is law and you break into or damage any property you breaking the law.
Damage to Eurostar fence, damage to goods lorrys etc. That's wrong no matter where you from. :mad:
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I kinda agree - George Soros was on C4 News tonight lecturing us on staying in the EU and letting all the immigrants in. How much did that **** cost Britain on Black Friday? :mad:
 
Freefaller said:
if the immigrants have skills, and are seeking asylum and have a legitimate request it is hard to deny them if they are willing to integrate and provide value to society.
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That was a workable premise twenty years ago - yeh, Indians are a funny colour and wear hats, but they work hard so OK.

Now we have to consider things a lot more carefully and look at the bigger picture - are they going to set up little ghettos and refuse to integrate, is their belief system and culture diametrically opposed to ours, do they bear a grudge for the UK killing others of their kind, do they have a culture that regards grudges or honour as an excuse to kill people, statistically is a percentage of this community likely to support terrorism and require ongoing expensive surveillance.

If yes, then I don't care how many flipping skills they have, I don't want them here.

On the other hand if a Pole can pick strawberries then come right in, because there is nothing about Polish culture or the people that jars with British culture.


If we could screen people properly then we wouldn't let in murderers or rapists, so why are we ignoring the obvious downsides of any other group?
It is not as if we can claim to be ignorant of the effect they have had on other countries, because we can clearly see what they do in London, Oslo and Paris.

I don't see the problem with picking and choosing who we let in, and simply excluding a group based on their past history. If they are looking for work then Saudi Arabia has all the work they can handle and they will fit right in.
 
scorza said:
Lack of a black economy = less motivation for illegal immigrants to come to the UK.

It was only a question - I look at what's going on in places like Eritrea, Somalia, Zimbabwe and wonder if things were ever that bad for Africans that were part of the British empire.
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You seem to be under the impression that the British Empire was nothing but a force for good, as if our only intentions in establishing it were charitable. Go and read up some balanced history and look past the jingoism and flag waving of traditional historiography and you'll realise that when it comes to rocking up in other countries and acting like dicks, the British have form. A bit ironic then, that we should be so vehement to those trying to cross our borders now.

We might think that we "improved" our colonial assets because we spread western influence and technology, but we didn't do it for the benefit of anyone but ourselves. And lets not forget that many African cultures were doing just fine long before we appeared.

And yes, to a certain extent, many of the problems faced by present day Africa are the result of European colonialism - we marched into other countries, imposed rule as it suited us, upset centuries old traditions and hierarchies in an attempt to cement our control, carted thousands of indigenous peoples off into slavery...and then when, we'd over extended and the empires began to decline, we upped and buggered off leaving them to it.
 
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Yep totally agree with you there conscipt that's why Hong Kong, Singapore and India are such a mess ... and the more established countries in Africa eg Kenya, South Africa and Egypt never had a smack of good old British influence.

Rule and guidance from London has always generally bettered backwards countries like Scotland etc.
 
Conscript said:
You seem to be under the impression that the British Empire was nothing but a force for good, as if our only intentions in establishing it were charitable. Go and read up some balanced history and look past the jingoism and flag waving of traditional historiography and you'll realise that when it comes to rocking up in other countries and acting like dicks, the British have form. A bit ironic then, that we should be so vehement to those trying to cross our borders now.

We might think that we "improved" our colonial assets because we spread western influence and technology, but we didn't do it for the benefit of anyone but ourselves. And lets not forget that many African cultures were doing just fine long before we appeared.

And yes, to a certain extent, many of the problems faced by present day Africa are the result of European colonialism - we marched into other countries, imposed rule as it suited us, upset centuries old traditions and hierarchies in an attempt to cement our control, then when we'd over extended and the empires began to decline, we upped and buggered off leaving them to it.
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Who the hell cares? Anyone who actually had a grivance is dead.

Regardless it was business, EIC and so on that did the real damage, why must British tax payers be punished for mistakes made centuries ago?
 
StriderX said:
Who the hell cares? ...
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I was answering scorza's question where he asked if anyone else thought that Africa and the Africans were better off under European rule.

I'm not saying modern British taxpayers should be punished for the conduct of our imperial ancestors.
I'm trying to rid this thread of the utterly repugnant view that these people are little more than parasites by placing their struggle into context somewhat.

I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, and I'll be brushed off as a "left wing looney", which appears to be the go-to retort nowadays. Whatever. This thread has taught me that there are some utterly vile members on these forums, so I won't hold their opinions in high regard.
 
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