2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

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peterwalkley said:
Sadly the only solution to this is going to take a long time, probably two generations, and its education. There are two broad categories of migrant: economic and war zone refugee. Most of them have managed to scrape together several grand to pay the trafficers. Ironically, this likely means they are amongst the smartest and most entrepreneurial of their country of origin - exactly the sort of person who adds value to an economy - as opposed to the lazy, benefit-stealing stereotype loved by the Daily Hatemail.
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ok fair enough but where does that leave people like myself who need to be earning a set amount for our other halfs to move here ? bit of a double standard if you can just rock up and demand entry and get it when others cant.
 
peterwalkley said:
For war zone refugees I will argue that, in general, smart people don't go to war. They have too much to lose. Even if you have a massive advantage over your opponent, they can still inflict huge damage on you. Smart people will reach a compromise in a dispute.
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appeasement will bring peace for our time?
 
3 solutions

Shoot them (preferred option) (automatic defences ideally)
Capture them, instant deportation. Only one question "where are you from ?"
Lets take them all in with open arms and see them leech more and more from the UK while we have our own problems with homelessness & foodbanks. I am all out of charity for these people.

I have ZERO sympathy for any of there deaths.
 
It's not 1,000s of square miles of open boarder. It's a tunnel measuring a few square meters. How hard can it be to secure.

peterwalkley said:
Sadly the only solution to this is going to take a long time, probably two generations, and its education. There are two broad categories of migrant: economic and war zone refugee. Most of them have managed to scrape together several grand to pay the trafficers. Ironically, this likely means they are amongst the smartest and most entrepreneurial of their country of origin - exactly the sort of person who adds value to an economy - as opposed to the lazy, benefit-stealing stereotype loved by the Daily Hatemail.

For economic refugees (primarily Africa) improving their home economies so that they can improve their quality of life at home would mean the educated are less likely to want to leave. Africa has a long history of bent governments and wasted investments. Had Africa grown at the same rate as Asia since 1945 we would not be seeing them. After all, where is the invasion of Chinese and Korean migrants ?

For war zone refugees I will argue that, in general, smart people don't go to war. They have too much to lose. Even if you have a massive advantage over your opponent, they can still inflict huge damage on you. Smart people will reach a compromise in a dispute.

So, for both cases, the answer is to educate the whole population so they understand how to improve their lot, how to spot their leaders are crooked or inept and boot them out, and give them something worth preserving to pass on to their future generations.
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European's aren't welcome in Africa. It's seen as post colonial meddling.

My attitudes to this crisis have changed significantly since it's start. Even if we were to stem the problem at source, it would take a decade or more.

The situation is causing serious economic problems for the UK. It can't go on for more than a few months.
 
Really wouldn't be surprised if our streets were to be engulfed with rioting and anarchy within the next 10 years. Our country puts up with so much, the news is a constant reminder of how much we are screwed over whilst the self made elite just watch from their ivory towers. I do sympathise , the plight of the migrants coming here is by far a lot worse than anything i have experienced. However, charity starts at home. Sort this mess of a country out before we start reaching out to sort other countires problems.
 
This is a difficult issue, not least because we have had a hand in destabalising areas where these people come from.

But to me it is an issue that every EU state needs to step up to. First of all I find it very difficult to believe that France could not be doing more to protect it's own borders from illegal immigrants. The people in Calais will have got into France somewhere and are on French soil so France are within their right to round them up, arrest them, detain them and deport them. Agreed, it is a large border to control - and that is why neighbouring countries need to do their part, and their neighbours do theirs.

The problem with passing the buck, as so often is the case, is it brings the issue to a head and moves media focus to that rather than the many issues that precede that head forming in the first place.

Blaming the UK is short sighted, but so is blaming France. Stopping this kind of immigration has to be a team effort from all member states.

The entire EU community is not doing enough, so pointing the finger at just the UK and France is missing the point.
 
If you have a weak government you can expect a weak immigration policy. Cameron's feeble 'open door/red carpet' approach has merely encouraged illegal immigrants to try their luck every day because they know it's only a matter of time before they get in.
 
220,000 migrants reached Italy and Greece last year. We have a very small portion attempting to enter this country, many people are more concerned about a lion rather than the human tragedy on our doorsteps.

Ridiculous
 
Tefal said:
appeasement will bring peace for our time?
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When both side are smart, compromise will happen. If one side is pig ignorant, it will be war. That's why I qualified what I said with "in general".


Stretch said:
It's not 1,000s of square miles of open boarder. It's a tunnel measuring a few square meters. How hard can it be to secure.
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These guys got across the Mediterranean. You think the English Channel will stop them ?


GAC said:
ok fair enough but where does that leave people like myself who need to be earning a set amount for our other halfs to move here ? bit of a double standard if you can just rock up and demand entry and get it when others cant.
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Agreed. That's nuts. The system has tried to control what it can rather than what it can't. From memory, the source of that policy was sham marriages mostly from India and Pakistan being used to bring people over. Young British-born girls were being pressured to marry over there to bring cousins and extended family over.



Anything done for the Tunnel is just a patch job. The long term solution is for the reasons they want to come over to go away. This is an economic problem. Look how much the US has spent on their border with Mexico and they still get through. Strangely enough there's no issue with the Canadian border.
 
Evangelion said:
If you have a weak government you can expect a weak immigration policy. Cameron's feeble 'open door/red carpet' approach has merely encouraged illegal immigrants to try their luck every day because they know it's only a matter of time before they get in.
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I should imagine such things as the DM headlines of palatial asylum homes and gilt-edged benefits acts as a stronger advert. That it's something of a Dick Whittington fable seems to pass many people by, not just our illegal alien cousins.
 
peterwalkley said:
These guys got across the Mediterranean. You think the English Channel will stop them ?
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They had help getting across the med. If they were capable of getting across the channel, they wouldn't be coming down the tunnel.
 
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