2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

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Jono said:
Let's have a poll?
Do you want to let the migrants in Calais (plus any that follow them, I guess) in?
yes/no
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This is what annoys me about some of the responses in this thread. You've (as in the royal "you") reduced an incredibly complicated situation to "should we let them in yes/no".

There seems to be a bunch of hard-line responses that we should let them die, actively kill them, send them back etc. If anyone dares to challenge this opinion, they are immediately assumed to be suggesting that we take in ALL migrants as soon as we can, then branded as "liberal pussies", "looney lefties", etc - which is hypocritical, given that some posters here have complained about childish name calling then gone on to use phrases above in the very same post...in fact, it appears to be the go-to defence for any view which isn't absolutely hard line right wing.

Surely you can see that just because you don't agree with the ultra hard line views that a lot of people here are suggesting, that doesn't mean you hold the completely polar opposite view that we should do everything we can to accept them?

It's a very sad indication indeed that to simply oppose views that desperate humans should not be treated humanely is enough to provoke such vicious responses. Some of the opinions posted so far are objectively absolutely disgusting and deserve criticism; to do so does not immediately place you at the completely opposite end of the political spectrum.
 
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scorza said:
I wish people would stop repeating this myth - most of the migrants in Calais I've seen on the news are from Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia, places we aren't involved with at all.
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Allied forces are active in Africa not to mention how European countries helped to screw Africa decades ago and it has never recovered, until we help sort out the economic gulfs that exist in the world this kind of thing will only increase.

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Do you honestly think having got here, Johnny Immigrant is going to be happy with his £35 a week in benefits? Of course he isn't - he's going to find other sources of income whether it be doing a legal worker out of a job or general crime.
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you have no way of knowing this.
 
koolpc said:
Yes!!! Let every migrant in.

We can't save every refugee! Their problem needs sorting at its source.
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This is the problem, out current system shows no bounds on numbers, not did it ever. If you are a legitimate refugee and you make it to the UK and you claim asylum, then yes, we will take you. We will take you because we said we would.
We didn't stimukate numbers when we said this, we didn't stipulate a %, we signed and said we would.
Long before current issues arose.

Once we were an island, and it was difficult to get here.
Now due to the further laws on asylum travel, they can land anywhere in Europe and be unimpeeded until they reach the nation they wish to claim asylum in.

Lets take a country we haven't invaded or disposed the existing regieme, Eritrea, its a complete mess of war, half those on the boats from Lybia are trying to escape that hellhole. We hear nothing of the war, as no one wants to risk going there to find out. More are dying than ebola managed and less is being done for the region.

A girl landing in Italy was interviewed, she said, the militia came and they told me to join the fight against the army or they would kill me, there is no right in that. She fled rather than be forced to kill others.
If she claim asylum in Italy fine, but if she travles here, then I have no doubt if she can verify her story, then she will receive asylum.

What else do we do with her? I have no idea of her religion, in fact, the war in Eritrea I know so little about, I don't know who the factions are, if they are tribal based, islamic purge based or what.

While we are open to refugees, then Calis will happen, and only more and more. As the world falls apart. How do you determine who is true, who is honest, and who is dodgy?

Tell me koolpc, how would you separate the sheep from the goats?
 
drs101 said:
this thread is depressing reading, the attitude that many of you have towards these people is shameful, the fact that people are dying trying to get into this country is an indication of how desperate they are.

I have no idea what a particle solution is but treating them like animals isn't it, most of the recent migrants are coming from country's that have been affected by direct intervention by our government.

When they talk about blow back, this is what it looks like
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Welcome to the GD section of OcUK - you will often find more enlightened views in the Daily Mail comment section.

It would be nice for some simple human decency and compassion to be shown but to be fair even the media’s portrayal of this problem is shocking. There is more sympathy for a dead lion (which is also abhorrent) than the thousands of desperate human beings fleeing their countries in search of a safer and better life.

People seem to forget that state borders are an artificial construct, we have no choice what state we are born in and in an ideal world being born in the UK should offer you no more advantages than being born in Afghanistan. But clearly it does. I am not surprised that there is no appetite within the UK or any other western country to open their borders and unfortunately there is no easy fix and it will be a generational issue.
 
scorza said:
I wish people would stop repeating this myth - most of the migrants in Calais I've seen on the news are from Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia, places we aren't involved with at all.
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Most of east Africa only gained independence from Britain in the 50s and 60s. We grew rich exploiting east Africa's people and resources. Is it surprising that some of those people, who feel a link with our country, want to come share some of that economic benefit?
 
This may have been discussed before - I have never been sure why the refugees are so desperate to get to the UK, as opposed to staying in France (or going to Germany/Spain etc). Presumably *something* here is better for them? A colleague suggested language, but surely that can't be it?
 
drs101 said:
this thread is depressing reading, the attitude that many of you have towards these people is shameful
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The only thing that is shameful is Cameron's abject failure at protecting 2 miles of our border.
The shameful lack of protection for thousands of children all over our country because the police and social services were too afraid of people like you shouting 'racist'
The shameful abuse of our education system by your pixie loon mates seeking to corrupt the minds of children, and yet nothing is done because those same socialist councils are run by people like you.

Sort your own culpability out before pretending all the problems you created are anyone else's fault.

These people stopped being desperate the moment they set foot in Europe, and frankly if they can empty a tin of food onto the dirt because it didn't say Waitrose on the tin, then they don't deserve to abuse our food banks either.
 
bitslice, how large is the vein on your forehead? And what exactly was the doing of 'liberals' that has led to this point? Neoliberalism is not the same thing as 'liberals', and I'd argue we've had a right-of-centre government in the UK for at least the last three decades.
 
People claiming these people are desperate need to have a re-think...

If your life was that terrible, as soon as you hit anywhere in Europe you would be grateful, and happy for a place to stay anywhere...

So why are the vast majority of them insisting on coming to the UK? Italy, France, Holland, Germany, Belgium are all more than nice enough places to live.
 
bitslice said:
The only thing that is shameful is Cameron's abject failure at protecting 2 miles of our border.
The shameful lack of protection for thousands of children all over our country because the police and social services were too afraid of people like you shouting 'racist'
The shameful abuse of our education system by your pixie loon mates seeking to corrupt the minds of children, and yet nothing is done because those same socialist councils are run by people like you.

Sort your own culpability out before pretending all the problems you created are anyone else's fault.

These people stopped being desperate the moment they set foot in Europe, and frankly if they can empty a tin of food onto the dirt because it didn't say Waitrose on the tin, then they don't deserve to abuse our food banks either.
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your mad mate, why has that got anything to do with me because I have some compassion for these people?

none of that has anything to do with the poor bods in Calais.
 
balky12 said:
How many asylum seekers you got currently living with you? Or how many do you plan on taking in?

What about if you were asked to house one, would you? If not why?
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What on earth are you ranting about. You sound like some crazed individual who lacks any concept of humanity or decency.

I am quite happy for the tax that I pay to go to help human beings, in desperate circumstances, no matter their nationality.
 
Caged said:
bitslice, how large is the vein on your forehead? And what exactly was the doing of 'liberals' that has led to this point? Neoliberalism is not the same thing as 'liberals', and I'd argue we've had a right-of-centre government in the UK for at least the last three decades.
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It is perfectly possible to write on a topic and be mostly detached from it, so sorry, no bulging vein here :)
This is just politics to me, not a personal issue, I don't actually care about any of these people.


I'm not sure of how to label the section of society that is forever wringing their hands over these people whilst ignore the **** they create.

"Liberal" is just my shorthand for a group that is made up of idiots, SJW's, socialists, UAF, hippies, apologists, socialist militants, cultural Marxists, feminazis and fascist liberals, and maybe the fag end of the Tory party.



drs101 said:
why has that got anything to do with me because I have some compassion for these people?
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Because your nativity creates problems for the rest of us.
If you want to help, go and take them some in-date Ravioli from Waitrose, just don't pretend you have the moral high ground because you were suckered into believing their sob story.
 
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balky12 said:
People claiming these people are desperate need to have a re-think...

If your life was that terrible, as soon as you hit anywhere in Europe you would be grateful, and happy for a place to stay anywhere...

So why are the vast majority of them insisting on coming to the UK? Italy, France, Holland, Germany, Belgium are all more than nice enough places to live.
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The vast majority of them actually go to Germany. The UK took in less asylum seekers last year than the tiny Hungary. You and the other xenophobes are the ones who need to have a 're-think'. Actually you need a 'think' because you haven't put much thought in your arguments other than 'grrrr send 'em back!'.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/da...-eu-countries-receive-the-most-asylum-seekers
 
Liefrich said:
What on earth are you ranting about. You sound like some crazed individual who lacks any concept of humanity or decency.

I am quite happy for the tax that I pay to go to help human beings, in desperate circumstances, no matter their nationality.
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I am a crazed individual for using an extreme to highlight a point? Right. hen you go and jump to an extreme...

I am more than happy to help those in need, more than happy to pay my tax to help those less fortunate. I even give monthly to charity. So please don't question my decency..

However if you think the answer is just to let everyone in then you are deluded.

It has a certain parallel with terrorist demands. Start letting these people get what they want, and it will only encourage more of the behaviour. Then where do you draw the line?

We can barely look after our own elderly and sick. Let alone the increased numbers from immigration and whatever woes they could possibly bring.
 
drs101 said:
Allied forces are active in Africa not to mention how European countries helped to screw Africa decades ago and it has never recovered, until we help sort out the economic gulfs that exist in the world this kind of thing will only increase.
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So basically spend all our money building up other countries instead of our own. No thanks.
 
Why does he not just use the RAF to bomb migrant camps in northern france. Also deploy the army to shoot any migrants that make it through to the UK and broadcast it all live around the world to make migrants fear coming to britain.
 
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