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Sliver said:
He's scare mongering. Sweden has seen a large increase in muslim immigrants in recent decades and this coincides with a sharp rise in rape crimes amongst other crimes. You could say we are feeling something similar in the UK with child and female abuse by muslims and he's pandering to this aspect and ignoring the fact that most muslims are decent people living decent honest lives.
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Most paedophiles just look at pictures and never physically harm a child, but that doesn't mean I'd be happy at more of them coming to live here.

How many rapes by muslim immigrants is OK in your eyes?

If we can bring in 1,000 but another girl gets raped as a result, is that OK?
If we bring in all 50 million of them and still only one girl gets raped, are you going to explain that to her parents.


How about we refuse entry to a known risk group, and wait for them to stop being such a misogynist culture
that no sensible country would let over its borders in the first place.
 
bitslice said:
Most paedophiles just look at pictures and never physically harm a child.
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What a stupid thing to say. Looking at child porn creates a demand online for more of it and so more children are abused to satisfy the demand. I find your attitude disgusting. :mad:
 
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dirtychinchilla said:
I didn't say that you, or I for that matter, are responsible for what has happened hundreds of years ago. But, Europe has caused many problems in Africa. My hatred of religion has nothing to do with this; think how different Africa would be if they were allowed by the Catholic church to use contraceptives. Is their any bigger sin on their part than allowing a whole continent to spread disease and to reproduce so rapidly when something as simple as a condom could help them? That's not my hatred for religion, that's fact.
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An ignorant view point seeing as Islam the largest religion in Africa.


Catholics make up 177m (15%).


Unless you are suggesting that 15% of the population has contributed solely to the population problem?....
 
Lifelong said:
An ignorant view point seeing as Islam the largest religion in Africa.


Catholics make up 177m (15%).


Unless you are suggesting that 15% of the population has contributed solely to the population problem?....
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Nonsense.

The majority of Africans are adherents of Christianity or Islam. African people often combine the practice of their traditional belief with the practice of Abrahamic religions. Abrahamic religions are widespread throughout Africa. They have both spread and replaced indigenous African religions, but are often adapted to African cultural contexts and belief systems. The World Book Encyclopedia has estimated that in 2002 Christians formed 40% of the continent's population, with Muslims forming 45%. It was also estimated in 2002 that Christians form 45% of Africa's population, with Muslims forming 40.6%.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Africa#Abrahamic_religions
 
Sliver said:
He's scare mongering. Sweden has seen a large increase in muslim immigrants in recent decades and this coincides with a sharp rise in rape crimes amongst other crimes.
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Sweden has a level of reported cases of rape, according to official Police figures. Surveys of victimisation show that Sweden, far from being the "rape capital" of Europe has sexual crime levels similar to other countries. The differences come from a greater willingness to report, a broader definition of rape and differences in how crimes are recorded.

In fact, despite the scaremongering, Sweden remains a pleasant and peaceful country.
 
Xordium said:
Labour are not a leftist part they are a smidge to the right and immigration has increased under the coalition and seemingly so under the Tories.

Now that doesn't mean they would have done things any better or preclude them from doing worse but it does throw your argument into touch as being in any way correct.
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I don't mean immigration, I mean these illegal free loaders in Calais. I have a nasty feeling Labour would have opened the floodgates to these scroungers and let them all in. That's why I'm thanking our lucky stars we kept Labour out at the last election.
 
Sliver said:
What a stupid thing to say. Looking at child porn creates a demand online for more of it and so more children are abused to satisfy the demand. I find your attitude disgusting. :mad:
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It is a convenient example of one aspect of a problem, obviously I'm aware of the ramifications of child porn FFS!!!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


good job on not answering the question btw
 
Mr Jack said:
Sweden has a level of reported cases of rape, according to official Police figures. Surveys of victimisation show that Sweden, far from being the "rape capital" of Europe has sexual crime levels similar to other countries. The differences come from a greater willingness to report, a broader definition of rape and differences in how crimes are recorded.

In fact, despite the scaremongering, Sweden remains a pleasant and peaceful country.
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Which is missing the point that most rapes in Sweden and Norway are committed by non white immigrants, and which the Swedish government obscures by not fully reporting the ethnic background of anyone.


Sliver said:
Stupid questions don't require answers, they are to be ignored.
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I feel obliged to respond to your stupid questions regardless, but thanks for the offer.
But I'm appalled that you condone rape by muslims :(
 
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bitslice said:
But I'm appalled that you condone rape by muslims :(
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Probably the dumbest thing I've read on the internet this month. But I'll bite. Where and when did I condone rape by muslims ?

Seems to me you are a fantasist and just pull stuff out of your ass and post it without any mental filtering mechanism.
 
bitslice said:
Which is missing the point that most rapes in Sweden and Norway are committed by non white immigrants, and which the Swedish government obscures by not fully reporting the ethnic background of anyone.
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It's not missing the point: you're claiming that these non-white immigrants to Sweden are making it the "rape capital" of Europe in the attempt to argue that we should avoid immigration lest we claim the crown of "rape capital" of Europe. It's therefore deeply relevant that rape is not, in fact, any more common in Sweden than it is in the rest of Europe.

Immigrants are over-represented in crime statistics in general, for a number of reasons, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is the case that they're over-represented in rape cases too.
 
drs101 said:
your mad mate, why has that got anything to do with me because I have some compassion for these people?

none of that has anything to do with the poor bods in Calais.
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You're far better off putting the dumb bigots of GD on ignore in your profile than trying to engage them in a discourse which will get you nowhere and give them a chance to posture to their mates like apes in a cage.
 
Mr Jack said:
It's not missing the point: you're claiming that these non-white immigrants to Sweden are making it the "rape capital" of Europe in the attempt to argue that we should avoid immigration lest we claim the crown of "rape capital" of Europe. It's therefore deeply relevant that rape is not, in fact, any more common in Sweden than it is in the rest of Europe.
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If most of the rape in Sweden and Norway is being committed by immigrants, then it makes sense not to allow any more immigrants into the UK.
Or am I being too obscure here?

I suggest you Google "Rape in Sweden and Norway", because this is a well reported topic that you seem to be unaware of.

You'll also note that the reported rape goes up year on year in line with a rapid increase in immigration.

Immigrants are over-represented in crime statistics in general, for a number of reasons, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is the case that they're over-represented in rape cases too.
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And your speculation doesn't tarry with the reported facts, sorry.


Is there a correspondence between the incidence of rape and the number of people with a foreign background in Sweden?


  • 1960-1970s – 1.2 to 2.6 times as often as Swedes
  • 1980s – 2.1 to 4.7 times as often as Swedes
  • 1990s – 2.1 to 8.1 times as often as Swedes
  • 2000s – 2.1 to 19.5 times as often as Swedes
 
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Sliver said:
I condone rape by muslims
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bitslice said:
I asked you if if you would take responsibility for allowing a group with a known history of rape and misogyny into the UK, and in what numbers.
You called that a stupid question and then slickly diverted attention from muslim rape by inventing a clearly fatuous point about Pedos.

I perfectly understand if you wish to avoid discussing the issue of muslim rapist because it must be a bit close to the bone, but I think that disqualifies you from supporting the immigration of any more of them.
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Why have you quoted me saying something I did not say ? Sorry but I'm RTM'g your post.
 
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balky12 said:
What would be great if you could add illegal immigrants to the figures. Or find out the movements of these asylum seekers after asylum has been granted in a certain country.
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How about we find out your movements across the country? You're a suspicious character and you may be another Breivik in the making (according to me). In fact, we should track down all people who don't like foreigners, just in case. How's my reasoning, does it sound familiar?

EDIT; you are also only talking about Asylum seekers. Add legal-immigrants to that list (which we take more than our proportionate share of, and then add illegal immigrants (2009 estimates were 860,000). It's a huge influx.
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Yes, I've read in many threads about this 'huge' influx which, by the way, is lower than the influx in countries such as Spain, Norway, Ireland or Sweden. That's not the topic here. These people are desperate asylum seekers/refugees and it is shameful that the UK takes so few in compared to other advanced democracies or even developing ones.


Thing with you liberals, you can only deal with extremes...

I am all for immigration, just controlled. I see the benefit they bring. Net contributors, etc. Multiculturalisation is a nice thing to have.

But you liberals can't compute that. You read 'I don't think letting every Tom, Dick and Harry into this country is a good thing' and you start screaming 'XENOPHOPE, RACIST' it's dull.

Like I said before, if you open the flood gates how then do you draw a line?
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Immigration is controlled. You and others like you are xenophobes because you are unable to present rational arguments for your position, which makes this position irrational and the irrational fear of foreigners fits in the definition of xenophobia.
 
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