2 years in jail for London riots driver

Rroff said:
My query is whether she was really under duress or not - its easy to take a self righteous stance and say she should have told them she didn't want to get involved when your not in the situation yourself. On the other hand she might have been trying to be "in with the crowd", etc. and deserves some kind of punishment.
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She comes from a rich family so she clearly doesn't live near the looters, so how did she get involved with them in the first place? Plus if she was really being forced into doing it then surely she could have driven off while they were looting the shops?

I think the punishment is fair, it shows that even the rich are still accountable for their actions.
 
disproportionate sentencing again where the riots are concerned, people have committed far worse crimes and got nothing like this, shocking!

cos yeah its really worth sending her to prison at £57k a year , let those junkies who offend time and time again off with drug rehabilitation orders, community sentence etc etc. until they have committed 50+ crimes when they finally get sent to jail.

politically motivated sentencing at its worst!
 
2 years. :eek:

Well she tried to kill herself 6 times in the run up to the court case so I hope they are keeping her under 24 hour watch.
Sentencing is all over the place in this country.
 
MrMoonX said:
disproportionate sentencing again where the riots are concerned, people have committed far worse crimes and got nothing like this, shocking!

cos yeah its really worth sending her to prison at £57k a year , let those junkies who offend time and time again off with drug rehabilitation orders, community sentence etc etc. until they have committed 50+ crimes when they finally get sent to jail.

politically motivated sentencing at its worst!
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Try £37k, on average.

Perhaps it's a fair sentence and the others have been disproportionately short?
 
Ahleckz said:
Try £37k, on average.

Perhaps it's a fair sentence and the others have been disproportionately short?
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£57k includes the cost of probation services on release etc.

go and rob an old lady in the street for her pension money, which ultimately has far more wide reaching effect on the victim than what this girl did, and see if you get a 2 year sentence, you won't you will either get under 12 months or a community order, if your on drugs you will get a DRR

I work in a prison and sentencing is very disproportionate and discriminatory, for example woman get longer sentences for comparable crimes compared to men, when in actual fact the wider social issues of locking woman up are far more damaging because they are carers and parents more often then men.

the government has called for a hard line on rioters rather than dealing with the wider social issues, the fact remains we have seen more civil unrest and protesting in two years of this government than any other, this was clearly on par with the poll tax riots!
 
dowie said:
Also, just a minor point, she's not an 'activist' - not sure if that stems from some commentators confusing 'rioters' with 'protestors' during the media coverage.....
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If you're going to make minor points... , she is an 'activist' but she's not an activist. :) I do agree with you though. I don't believe someone living off a trust fund has any valid input into how our society is run, especially when they're going on about inequality etc, that's why I reserve a special level of derision for them :)
 
MrMoonX said:
£57k includes the cost of probation services on release etc.

go and rob an old lady in the street for her pension money, which ultimately has far more wide reaching effect on the victim than what this girl did, and see if you get a 2 year sentence, you won't you will either get under 12 months or a community order, if your on drugs you will get a DRR

I work in a prison and sentencing is very disproportionate and discriminatory, for example woman get longer sentences for comparable crimes compared to men, when in actual fact the wider social issues of locking woman up are far more damaging because they are carers and parents more often then men.

the government has called for a hard line on rioters rather than dealing with the wider social issues, the fact remains we have seen more civil unrest and protesting in two years of this government than any other, this was clearly on par with the poll tax riots!
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Oh right, OK. I've only ever studied it in terms of price per place. I only added my view as people spout such rubbish when discussing prison price. Sure, some prisons are spending up to £70k per prisoner, but some are much cheaper so it's useful to take the average in my opinion. I've seen people quote anything from £15k to £100k in the past.

Debatable if the pension money rob has greater implications, but that isn't really important.

As I said earlier in this thread, I wish we saw stronger sentences for all crime (and I would support a politician who suggested building prisons, though as some of us discussed in a previous thread last week, it isn't likely to happen though). That makes me think that perhaps this sentence could be seen as 'correct' and not excessive. Rather the other sentences are particularly weak and short. However, I firmly reject the notion that prison ought to be based on rehabilitation for all.

Some time since I looked into sentence rates for women and men, so wouldn't really want to comment on that without doing my own research first.
 
4T5 said:
2 years. :eek:

Well she tried to kill herself 6 times in the run up to the court case so I hope they are keeping her under 24 hour watch.
Sentencing is all over the place in this country.
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okay, its yet another sun type story but supposedly a judge let a couple off who broke their baby's legs, arms, a broken foot and a broken shoulder.... because it was their first offence and they were hard working.

That is something deserving of years in jail, the girl did something stupid but her actions alone hurt no one, completely nuts. Someone drives around other people commiting minor crimes and gets two years(would be interesting to know what the people she drove around got), and people commiting horrific crimes get let off.

I didn't realise she also had tried to kill herself, I don't think sentences should be let off just because someone decides to try and kill themselves, however its a MUCH better indication of remorse and showing some leniency than "you almost beat a child to death... but you're both hard working".

Shameful really.
 
It's a headline figure, and hopefully it'll make people think twice before trying to replicate similar acts (though I'm doubtful as to how well it'll actually work).

Furthermore, I fully expect it to be slashed on appeal. I also suspect that the reduction will be picked up by the news agencies in a similar manner.

Postscript - is imgur down?
 
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