2016 : A Pivotal Year For AMD, Nvidia, PC Gaming And VR

Fair play on trying it ICDP and there is a few like yourself who can't get past the res/screen door and I can understand that. Over a short period, I could pretty much ignore the pixels and lose myself in the game.
 
"would be better with a green logo" :P
I'm looking forward to seeing reviews though, I might end up waiting for a second revision or pick one up ASAP depending on the reviews.
Wonder how long until we get .hack// (or for you newer kids, SAO) style headsets :O

Nvidia don't make the Rift and if you watch any of my hardware reviews, you will see that I am very fair and as honest as I can be. Nobody pays me and nobody sends me any hardware but even if they did, I would still remain impartial. There is a few reviews out of the CV1/Vive but I would tend to take them with a pinch of salt for now, as most seem to be "keeping friends".
 
I know nVidia don't make the rift - that was the joke, but nevermind :P

Yeah I'm waiting for actual consumer reviews - any reviews that come in now are likely to be a little biased, as you said "keeping friends". Still resisting the urge to preorder, then I see the price and it helps keep my urges in check ;D

All good :)

Apparently, select shops will have these from April (which will be harsh on those waiting for June/July delivery dates), so there will be plenty of reviews and if there is one close, you might get to have a play :)
 
i strongly doubt VR will be proprietary, at least for the 2 first generations, no studio would make a game only for oculus store and leave steam, unless the whole project is paid for by oculus.
i also think that games will be easy to crack for any headset compatibility if that happens.
and most importantly, there is a more efficient way, make unique accessory, and games that takes advantage of that.
steamVR will be open to other headsets, i just hope that oculus doesnt start shiet by doing exclusif content for the rift, i am happy to buy game on oculus store, but i woudn't buy a 2nd headset just to play a game.

Reading up a bit in anticipation, Oculus have said that they will look to sell through their own store (Oculus store) and expected others to jump on this. This of course doesn't mean anything but could possibly mean that they will do exclusives and the Vive/Others miss out. I just hope I am reading too much into it and I am a mile off. I do really want to see VR succeed and Open will certainly help with that, plus Investors are not daft and would not have invested over $1 Billion on it if it wasn't looking strong for the future.
 
Even games that have received funding from Oculus are free to, and are, adding support for steamVR as well

And yeah, there are already a number of 3rd party drivers that can even go as far as getting VR working using an android phone via PC, so just enabling another PC headset should be pretty easy by comparison

Good to know :)
 
You can't - because proprietary. What brand should you buy to say "hey, it's ok to lock things down because I own that brand anyway" and then say the opposite about VR? ;)

I have never been a fan of proprietary and always wanted access for everyone for every PC effect but Flopper said stop buying Nvidia, so what should I buy? Not sure why you even think I praise proprietary techs lol. Just becuase my main card at the moment is Nvidia, that doesn't automatically make me happy to see AMD locked out of certain effects. :o

Well Closest you can get is with NVidia I suppose, seeing as AMD are quite happy to give 'Nearly' everything they do away to the masses for free. :D:p:D


Disclaimer: This post is a joke and is not to be taken seriously.

Joking or not Bru (and I know you was) this is true.
 
*shrug*
Some cognitive dissonance there.. or lack of resolve, not sure which.
"I will say I don't like proprietary, but when a company does it I will buy it because the opposition won't have the proprietary tech, telling them it's ok to do and rewarding them with my monies"
It's an odd line to take, but if that's what works for you ;D

Hopefully AMD's next cards significantly out perform nVidia's so they can claim back some power in the market and influence the devs away from gimpworks - then you won't have that problem to contend with :D

I don't ever let politics get in the way of my enjoyment. I ran the Fury X with the Titan X and fully intended on keeping the fastest and not much more I can say to that really. In fact, why do people feel the need to buy AMD because they are the good guys etc? That has always baffled me and you should really buy what suits your needs, regardless of anything. AMD/Nvidia defending is weird lol Sure, purchase justification is always going to be there but people who hope the opposition screw up is kinda sad.
 
What? Basically all you've said there is "I ignore all my own opinions. It won't change what I buy"
It's difficult to debate something with someone who devalues his own opinions that much :S
I buy AMD usually, largely because they're the underdog and their business practices are less.... anti-consumer? Granted, I wouldn't do it if nVidia had a clear lead - ie instead of "oh the Ti gets 130 frames to my Fury's 120fps" it was more like "**** nVidia get 100fps and AMD are getting 60". For the sake of 5-10% performance difference I'll support the company that offers a better future for a hobby that I love. It doesn't, as you'd put it, "reduce my enjoyment," but instead works towards ensuring I get future enjoyment as well.
If/When nVidia beat AMD out of existence, stagnation will most definitely occur (see 8800 series) - that's something I don't think any of us want.

Where on earth did you get "I ignore all my own opinions, it won't change what I buy" from? I don't wish to come across as rude but read what I said and you will see that I buy what suits me best. I gave the Fury X a good run out but it wasn't close to being as fast as the TX, so it was sold. If it was the faster, I would have kept that and sold the TX. The rest of my post wasn't aimed at you and genarilised but indeed you should buy what suits your needs.

One of the major problems of this and many other forums is - you are either in one camp or the other and whatever is in your machine is what camp you are placed into. Would you believe I was called an AMD fanboy on more than one occasion on my youtube channel lol :D
 
I respect that you buy what suits my best. My comment was directed at "I don't want proprietary" and then seeing no issue with buying a product with that in mind.

^ You're directly basing your purchase on access to proprietary tech, meanwhile complaining you don't like it. See my point? I don't understand it D: Like I said, cognitive dissonance. "Proprietary is bad. Which product offers me it?" :D

No no no!!! I am basing my purchase decision on what works best for me. Please stop trying to think for me when you are so far off the mark. There is so much in life I don't like but I still use it and I don't care for proprietary. That doesn't mean I will cut my nose off to spite my face and again I tell you "I buy what suits my needs and I don't let politics get in the way of my purchasing decision"

Agreed. But a) we all know people who buy Apple products are (removed this for you), and b) is there an alternative that does pay their fair share of corp. tax?
But my point was based on Greg complaining about something while actively supporting it. Not just supporting bad companies :p

I removed your comment there as that makes me angry. Completely unneeded and people can buy what they like. My daughter loves her Iphone, whereas I love my S6. Why would you stoop to that level? I did give you some credit for attempting a sensible conversation but that kinda killed it. I would remove that comment before a mod see's it if I was you.
 
And without getting into the driver arguments, take a look at the AMD driver thread and then the Nvidia driver thread. Crimson drivers give nice boosts it seems but come at a cost to a fair number of people.
 
It's not baffling at all, if you buy for the short term and don't mind watching the industry turn into something you dislike then you can buy whichever is the fastest but if you want to try and guide it the way you want then you buy (within reason) the choice you feel is best. For me I bought a Nvidia gpu in my laptop because I felt AMD was quite behind in the mobile gpu department and since you can't upgrade it was a more pivotal decision. When it comes to gaming PC's though I feel there isn't really all that much difference between AMD's and Nvidia's offerings and while AMD being the good guy / small guy is a consideration it's not the only reason to take there stuff. You shouldn't put yourself way out for a decision like that but some lie to themselves about how big the differences are.

For me it's simple, I end up better off with AMD anyway by getting a cheaper 4k freesynch monitor that Nvidia gsynch monitors are too overpriced to deliver at a reasonable cost performance. My overall experience would be better with AMD for the price and the decision to support AMD is still a factor so would have weighed in but it's not like Nvidia fans need to think it's the only factor and it's some moral high ground posturing. It's just a factor still for me, as seen with the fact I went for the 980m laptop though, it's not the only thing to consider but just helps. I'd rather support the industry, support the underdog and support competition (which is better for everyone). To be fair if Nvidia were perfect at performance (recent drivers have proven otherwise) they were massively ahead (gpu's are a bit ahead but overall with the monitor I still get better experience for cheaper on AMD with freesynch) and they wasn't having some annoying experiences themselves (970 vram issues / proprietary tech / overpricing) then sure I'd just buy them with less worry. When we objectively look at each side I don't really see such a huge gap (except for maybe MGPU users but that's not really something I've tried myself and Nvidia isn't doing as great as they used to either). I'm just not the kind of person who likes to commit to being a gump really, never been a big fraudster (downloading movies etc.), never been the kind of guy who likes to scalp people (buy products then flog them fr more when stock is low on ebay etc). Guess it's just a moral compass thing and a lot of people don't really use it much in every scenario.

I don't like proprietary but I will not cut my nose off to spite my face and it is that simple. G-Sync came out, I read reviews and was like "I have to try it", I got the ROG Swift and was totally blown away. I originally was running 3 Titans back then as well but in the interim, I ran a 290X and it ran very well and was a good price and I ran a 970 and it also ran very well and was a good price (no VRAM issues that you mention) and if I was a 1080P gamer, I wouldn't have been able to tell what was in the computer when playing BF4, Tomb Raider, SoM and a few others but firing up Batman, Borderlands 2, Alice Madness returns I could tell instantly because there was effects missing. Not sure if you have seen me say in the past but I like PhysX and GameWorks and it does make a pleasing visual difference to me. However, there is some out there who don't care for those effects, which I respect and part of me wishes that everyone could get to see these effects and being biased, have some positive talk about them.

You can't beat talking about a new release with others and what you like/don't like and what you think of this and that but a section of the market and friends of mine are included in that are unable to see these effects I like. This is why I don't like proprietary but that doesn't mean it is a deal breaker. I was jealous of Mantle and could see that it benefited AMD users and if I was running 3 290Xs (remembering I was running 3 Titans back then), I would have had a nice boost in frames in Mantle enabled games (not that it was needed but hey, who doesn't want more frames), so my point being that part of me was sad on missing out on this tech. Move on a few months and I run a single Titan X as opposed to SLI because I had had enough of SLI grief (stuttering in some games even on G-Sync/SLI profiles not happening). And because I had done a ton of OT at work and didn't want to waste it down the pub, I bought a Fury X and loved it. I loved the AIO and its size was sweet and if it was faster than the Titan X at 1440P, it would have been the keeper. I was all prepared to lose out on effects and G-Sync to just go with the fastest card but like I said, the TX was considerably faster, so that was the keeper.

Another note worth mentioning is buying AMD or Nvidia and to those who like to put me in one camp, I have bought far more AMD GPUs in the last couple of years than I have done Nvidia GPUs in my lifetime... So those that insist this and that about me should really get to know me before placing me this or that way :)
 
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If it works for me and does what I need, it goes in my machine. Nvidia are pretty much on the ball with 99% of things as well and AMD tend to kick their heels at times.

A small example was seeing a thread yesterday about getting MSI AB onto the guys recordings and that wasn't working back when I was on a 290X and it appears it still isn't. Recording AB is an integral part of my Youtube channel, so if that is missing, that would be a big blow for me. I have a dedicated capture card that does a decent job but 1080P 30fps is just not good enough for today's video's.

So do I favour a brand? Of course but that doesn't mean I am a fanboy or tied to a specific brand. And I do love a good debate that doesn't require sniping and cheap pot shots and will not bother reading those posts when I see them but that doesn't mean I don't have a sense of humor and I love a good thread that gets down to the nitty gritty of both companies. You get to see some pro's and con's and even I can pick up a thing or two that I didn't know and so long as people remain civil, I am open to solid debates.
 
Don't think you understand what I was saying.

Personally don't see the point in self proclaiming what an idividual is/isn't , it's pointless imo as people tend to make their own mind up and not what a person wants you to think they are. :cool:

I understood and it's fine.

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VR for me has me super excited and great to see so much investment (over 1 billion dollars) and now we need AMD/Nvidia and Microsoft/Valve to be on the ball and I can see this being a big success and not just for gamers either. VR has many different application possibilities but 2 stand out for me... Games and films. Only 2 months to go now as well till the OR is released.
 
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