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3770K to 1600 is it worth it

adwol48

adwol48

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Hey folks recently had an issue with an old Z77 board but managed to get up and going again thanks to the members market, but it got me wondering should I just bite the bullet and upgrade. Obviously gonna need a new MB and RAM to go with the 1600X. It would mainly be used for gaming and sometimes streaming and the odd light bit of video editing work. to me it seems to hit a good price point but was wondering how much of an actual performance increase would i see compared to my 3770K
 
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For productivity it will blow the 3770k out of the water, for gaming don't expect massive improvement in max FPS.

For streaming on Twitch the Ryzen chips are unbeatable. Gamers Nexus did a video showing the 1700 Vs the 7700k streaming Dirt Rally on Twitch and it was a bloodbath.

The 1600s are probably the best chips right now in the bang for buck category. There is too much fuss made over max FPS.

Sure an i7 might do 140 frames per second in "Game X" but that R5 1600 is doing 120 and is not dipping as often as the i7 does. You are trading maximum frame rate for more consistency and most people are starting to agree that is the wise choice.
 
If you're not currently held back by the 3770k (which I'm sure you're not) then there is no point in upgrading.

Does the CPU bottleneck your GPU? No - then there's no point in upgrading.

Are you a graphics/editing professional who runs a service with focused productivity. No - then there's no point in upgrading.

Many of these 'is it worth it' or 'should I upgrade from x to x' threads are full of stupid advice completely bypassing common sense. Focusing priority over one task, spending hundreds thinking it'll improve that one particular task or provide an extended life for gaming.

It's like owning a Bugatti and driving it like a Nissan Micra then a few years later wanting to upgrade to the Bugatti Grand Sport for 'extra speed'

Daft.
 
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I recently went through the same dilemma and i'm now running the 3770k at 4.5 with a 1080ti. No bottleknecking!

Hold tight with what you have for as long as possible. Maybe consider a GPU upg if you need it rather than CPU.
 
The only reason i was considering the upgrade was how old the Z77 chipset was and if god forbid this mb fails at any point i'm again going to be looking for another board (some if which are priced at the same level as a new AM4 board). The 3770k does serve me well in gaming and day to day productivity although i have noticed a few stuttering issues whilst streaming depending on my quality settings. Gpu doesnt bother me too greatly have 2 290x in crossfire so that handles most games very well still. Its just the reliability of 4 year old hardware thats currently my main concern.
 
adwol48 said:
The only reason i was considering the upgrade was how old the Z77 chipset was and if god forbid this mb fails at any point i'm again going to be looking for another board (some if which are priced at the same level as a new AM4 board). The 3770k does serve me well in gaming and day to day productivity although i have noticed a few stuttering issues whilst streaming depending on my quality settings. Gpu doesnt bother me too greatly have 2 290x in crossfire so that handles most games very well still. Its just the reliability of 4 year old hardware thats currently my main concern.
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Is it worth upgrading now on the chance something might break? I'm still on X58. My motherboard has been running pretty much daily with a medium overclock since I got it in 2009! It's still going strong but I'm moving to a threadripper build :)
 
I'm on the same gen as you but with an i5 3570k. I think if, like me, you only had an i5 then an R5 1600 would be a big step up. With you having an i7 then it might be worth holding out just a little longer to see what Coffee Lake is like and maybe even as long as the next round of Ryzen chips to see if they can clock a bit higher.

Don't worry about anything packing up on you. You will be upgrading anyway long before anything fizzles and pops. I have friends still on i7 960s
 
See i would have assumed that too given i had a fairly high end Z77 mpower board but the vrms around the cpu socket went up in a large cloud of smoke and left behind bare copper pcb and cant say i was running a huge overclock(4.3) i dunno maybe having that fail has just thrown me a little and made it evidently clear if something does go i'm left with no warranty and also have to source a new eol product again.
 
Would you upgrade to a 5820k? because that is where you will be. Ryzen has better IPC, better HT but lower clocks, but yeah it's right around even.

If the answer is yes then the 1600 would be a nice upgrade, especially for multi tasking and anything threaded.
 
I'm still running a 3770k on a z68 - I can see no need to upgrade at the moment for my typical usage, but may consider a new GPU for this winter's game releases
 
If it's only for gaming, it would actually almost be a downgrade.

I can't see any reason you would need to upgrade a 3770K in this scenario.

Something like a 1700 maybe, as all the extra cores/threads would help with editing and streaming.

But for games it makes no sense to go from a 3770K to a Ryzen 1600.
 
No not worth it, you wont see performance increases in many games on 6C/12T Ryzen 5 1600 compared to 4C/8T 3770K like I have.

I found 3770K in Ryzen 3 review:

https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/premiera_test_procesorow_amd_ryzen_3_1200_vs_intel_core_i3_7100

3770K games performance equal either i5 7500 and i5 7600K.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/official-ocuk-ryzen-3-review-thread.18787727/

If you look through Ryzen 3 reviews above for Ryzen 5 1600 numbers to compare with either i5 7500 and i5 7600K then you will find Ryzen 5 1600, Ryzen 5 1600X, Ryzen 7 1700, Ryzen 7 1700X and Ryzen 7 1800X slower than i5 7500 and i5 7600K in many reviews.

It make absolutely no sense to downgrade your 3770K to either 6C/12T Ryzen 5 1600X or 8C/16T Ryzen 7 1700. I suggest you to wait a few weeks for possible leaked i7 8700K games benchmarks or reviews.
 
AthlonXP1800 said:
No not worth it, you wont see performance increases in many games on 6C/12T Ryzen 5 1600 compared to 4C/8T 3770K like I have.

I found 3770K in Ryzen 3 review:

https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/premiera_test_procesorow_amd_ryzen_3_1200_vs_intel_core_i3_7100

3770K games performance equal either i5 7500 and i5 7600K.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/official-ocuk-ryzen-3-review-thread.18787727/

If you look through Ryzen 3 reviews above for Ryzen 5 1600 numbers to compare with either i5 7500 and i5 7600K then you will find Ryzen 5 1600, Ryzen 5 1600X, Ryzen 7 1700, Ryzen 7 1700X and Ryzen 7 1800X slower than i5 7500 and i5 7600K in many reviews.

It make absolutely no sense to downgrade your 3770K to either 6C/12T Ryzen 5 1600X or 8C/16T Ryzen 7 1700. I suggest you to wait a few weeks for possible leaked i7 8700K games benchmarks or reviews.
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The op said he streams occasionally so it makes perfect sense to go with ryzen. Unless of course he wants the absolute fastest then grab a 8700k knowing that your on a dead end platform.
 
Ryzen's big bonus is the AM4 platform. AMD have always had a track record of supporting a platform for as long as they can, so until something like DDR5 of some other new interface or controller comes out then it's likely that a motherboard that you buy today will support a new CPU in 3 years time.

You can get on to the AM4 platform with a quality B350 board and R5 1600 and still be below the price of an Intel i7. You'll have a great system and the opportunity to upgrade the CPU to whatever fancy new thing AMD pops out in a year or 2.

Whilst an i7 is still king of max frame rates it also has been shown that it suffers from occasional dips that something like the R7 1700 does not do. With Ryzen you are sacrificing maximum frame rates for more consistent frame delivery.

So if you game at 1080p 144hz competitively on games like CS:GO then Intel is the choice for you. If you are moving on to higher resolutions and would prefer 1440p or 4k delivered at nigh on damn it a constant 60fps then you are more likely to achieve that with a Ryzen based system.

Performance in today's games moving to Ryzen may seem like a side grade, but you will be gaining access to DDR4 and M.2 drives that are not compatible with the old Z77 boards. You'll also be getting in at a much more palatable price point, especially with the cost of RAM and graphics cards today.

If my budget allowed for an R5 1600X with a GTX 1080 or an i7 7700k with a GTX 1070 then I know where I would get the best performance.
 
gavinh87 said:
The op said he streams occasionally so it makes perfect sense to go with ryzen. Unless of course he wants the absolute fastest then grab a 8700k knowing that your on a dead end platform.
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Well you completely forgetten I have 3770K and same Z77 chipset. Like OP, I used streams occasionally few year ago used GPU then found streams very boring and did some video editing few months ago used GTX 1070 GPU. So why does people need Ryzen CPU for streams and video editing, not the GPU???
 
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Well you completely forgetten I have 3770K and same Z77 chipset. Like OP, I used streams occasionally few year ago used GPU then found streams very boring and did some video editing few months ago used GTX 1070 GPU. So why does people need Ryzen CPU for streams and video editing, not the GPU???
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Because the quality is better........
 
The performance from ryzen has improved a lot since launch with bios updates, a much better understanding how to get the best out of it and which components to use. Memory speeds of 3466 or more are perfectly possible now which due to the architecture of ryzen improves performance. Newer Software has been updated in many cases to improve ryzen performance significantly if it wasn't already able to make use of multiple cores properly. When you can get an 8c / 16t ryzen 1700 for the same price as a 4c / 8t intel it offers good value and future proofing along with future am4 socket support.

The 7700k is better for older or badly written software that is very reliant on single core performance and can be better for gaming fps but this gap has closed a lot recently and in some games like bf1 the lack of cores is becoming more apparent with more fps drops. Best to work out what you plan to use the machine for and look at recent tests not those from months ago.
 
Moving from a quad-core Intel to a Ryzen multi core is tempting looking at the current prices and how the platform has matured.
 
I'm in a similar boat myself.

3770K, stream every now and again. The offer ocuk have just put in the 1700x is a little bit tempting. I had been banking an a x board rather than a b but having said that I prefer to run things stock if I can so it's very tempting to not opt for the new platform.

Was hoping this thread would make my mind up.
 
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