4770k clocked at 4.6 vs 7700k clocked at 5.0 gaming difference? ld

blasterbolt · 24 Jul 2017 at 21:19

Well I have my 4770k clocked at a stable 4.6 running a Titan pascal at 2040 with 16 gig of 2400hz ram.

I have been wondering about upgrading to either the 7700k and trying my luck at ocing to 5.0 or going with the Ryzen 1700. What I would love to know is is there much difference at all for gaming in games that are cpu intensive like total war warhammer or any game with the frostbite engine?

Or should I hold out for the next cpus from intel or amd?

I game at 1440p 144hz . Twwh I can get 35-90 GPs on high settings. Bf1 I can get from 58-100 fps but the cpu usage hits 95+ and then temps hits 73+ after 1 hr of gaming. Any advice would be greatly received

8 Pack · 24 Jul 2017 at 21:27

7700K buy a pre binned one from us then its guaranteed the speeds you want upto 5.2ghz or 7740K we are doing pre binned too upto 5.4ghz. Of course in CPU limited games raw mhz is king!!!

AiiR · 24 Jul 2017 at 21:37

I don't think you'll notice any difference unless you specifically benchmark it. I certainly wouldn't be 'upgrading' from one quad core to another.

Panos · 24 Jul 2017 at 21:46

blasterbolt said:
Well I have my 4770k clocked at a stable 4.6 running a Titan pascal at 2040 with 16 gig of 2400hz ram.

I have been wondering about upgrading to either the 7700k and trying my luck at ocing to 5.0 or going with the Ryzen 1700. What I would love to know is is there much difference at all for gaming in games that are cpu intensive like total war warhammer or any game with the frostbite engine?

Or should I hold out for the next cpus from intel or amd?

I game at 1440p 144hz . Twwh I can get 35-90 GPs on high settings. Bf1 I can get from 58-100 fps but the cpu usage hits 95+ and then temps hits 73+ after 1 hr of gaming. Any advice would be greatly received

Don't upgrade from 4770K to 7700K, you won't see much difference, and is pointless upgrade.
If you want to upgrade for gaming at 1440p get the R7 1700. It will be cheaper than the 7700K overall, while you can plug M2/NMVE drives without dropping your PCI-E to 8x. (7700K has only 16 pci-e lanes)
Make sure you buy good 3200/3466 RAM which is supported by the motherboard of your choice, and either the ASUS B350 Strixx (on B350 platform) or X370 board (CH6, Titanium, K7)

It will serve you well, has more grunt power to run multiple things on the CPU while gaming on the background, without affecting performance.

humbug · 24 Jul 2017 at 21:55

I'd get a Ryzen 1600 over a 1700 and a 7700K for gaming.

But a 4770K is no slouch, your not going to see a huge difference with anything less than a GTX 1080TI.

@8 Pack IPC not Mhz, or a combination of both is king

Phage · 24 Jul 2017 at 22:01

If it helps I went from a 4770k to a 1700x and posted the results here.(1080ti)
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/3770k-paired-with-1080ti.18783920/page-2
And on Hexus in more detail

pastymuncher · 25 Jul 2017 at 09:03

Save your money and wait until there is actually something worth upgrading to.

Robzere31 · 25 Jul 2017 at 13:23

As others have said, not a huge step up ingame performance, I went 4770k 4.5ghz, to 7700k 5ghz.
Synthetic Cpu benchmark performance improved by around 30%

I upgraded not because I was looking for a big improvement but I got a very good deal on cpu/motherboard.
After selling my old kit the upgrade cost me around £90.

gavinh87 · 25 Jul 2017 at 13:57

As above, keep it. Hell even a stock 7700k shows little difference compared to one at 5.2

pandem0nium · 25 Jul 2017 at 15:34

Panos said:
Don't upgrade from 4770K to 7700K, you won't see much difference, and is pointless upgrade.
If you want to upgrade for gaming at 1440p get the R7 1700. It will be cheaper than the 7700K overall, while you can plug M2/NMVE drives without dropping your PCI-E to 8x. (7700K has only 16 pci-e lanes)

16 lanes from the cpu are separate to the (20+?) lanes provided by the chipset. 7700K on z270 has capacity for 3 x m.2 drives at full x4 pcie 3.0 lanes. Ryzen can only provide one full speed plus one at x4 pcie 2.0.

humbug · 25 Jul 2017 at 15:41

pandem0nium said:
16 lanes from the cpu are separate to the (20+?) lanes provided by the chipset. 7700K on z270 has capacity for 3 x m.2 drives at full x4 pcie 3.0 lanes. Ryzen can only provide one full speed plus one at x4 pcie 2.0.

Ryzen has a number of PCIe lanes SoC on the CPU its self, more are added to that via the Chip-Set, depending on which one, A320 / B350 / X370.

I'm not entirely sure but EPYC has 128 PCIe lanes without a Chip-set at all, EPYC is made up of 4x 8 core CCX's, so 128 divided by 4 = 32 + whatever the Chip-Set has on it.

///Rage · 25 Jul 2017 at 19:31

8 Pack said:
7700K buy a pre binned one from us then its guaranteed the speeds you want upto 5.2ghz or 7740K we are doing pre binned too upto 5.4ghz. Of course in CPU limited games raw mhz is king!!!

I dont see the prebinned 7740K listed in the store. I also called and they didnt have any in stock. Any idea of availability and price?

8 Pack · 25 Jul 2017 at 19:35

I will make a video about 7740k and 7800X binned cpu's and bundles Friday and launch next week. Ipc on these is ofcourse the strongest around at the moment as well as frequency.

What speed you looking at??

For 7740k I recommend triple aio cooler.

///Rage · 25 Jul 2017 at 20:04

8 Pack said:
I will make a video about 7740k and 7800X binned cpu's and bundles Friday and launch next week. Ipc on these is ofcourse the strongest around at the moment as well as frequency.

What speed you looking at??

For 7740k I recommend triple aio cooler.

I play a flight sim that scales linearly with clock speed (even from 4.5ghz to 5ghz on a 7700k). How far can you push a 7740K and still maintain stability and acceptable heat levels? Ill take what ghz I can get!

gavinh87 · 25 Jul 2017 at 20:26

8 Pack said:
I will make a video about 7740k and 7800X binned cpu's and bundles Friday and launch next week. Ipc on these is ofcourse the strongest around at the moment as well as frequency.

What speed you looking at??

For 7740k I recommend triple aio cooler.

Its been shown that the IPC of the 7800x certainly is not the strongest around. In gaming it ties with a 1600x despite a 700mhz deficit, this is right down at 1080p where cpu performance matters most.

humbug · 25 Jul 2017 at 21:06

8 Pack said:
I will make a video about 7740k and 7800X binned cpu's and bundles Friday and launch next week. Ipc on these is ofcourse the strongest around at the moment as well as frequency.

What speed you looking at??

For 7740k I recommend triple aio cooler.

The IPC on them is not the strongest around, certainly not with the 7800X and up, at 4.7Ghz they can only keep up with a Ryzen 1600 running at 4Ghz, the 7700K is 9% faster but thats when clocked at 4.9Ghz, 22% higher.

What that means is "the strongest IPC around" are the Ryzen CPU's.

triss · 25 Jul 2017 at 22:48

humbug said:
The IPC on them is not the strongest around, certainly not with the 7800X and up, at 4.7Ghz they can only keep up with a Ryzen 1600 running at 4Ghz, the 7700K is 9% faster but thats when clocked at 4.9Ghz, 22% higher.

What that means is "the strongest IPC around" are the Ryzen CPU's.

Is gaming a true IPC judge though? I would have thought a compute based thingy like prime etc would have been a more unbiased better test? ( Not trying to say which has the best ipc just curious what would be the best test of ipc )

8 Pack · 25 Jul 2017 at 23:31

gavinh87 said:
Its been shown that the IPC of the 7800x certainly is not the strongest around. In gaming it ties with a 1600x despite a 700mhz deficit, this is right down at 1080p where cpu performance matters most.

By you?? Show me your results?? Or you typing without testing yourself again??

8 Pack · 25 Jul 2017 at 23:33

///Rage said:
I play a flight sim that scales linearly with clock speed (even from 4.5ghz to 5ghz on a 7700k). How far can you push a 7740K and still maintain stability and acceptable heat levels? Ill take what ghz I can get!

The top bin will be 5.4ghz. I think this beats ryzen even on ln2 no problem. Less cores ofcourse but for u who cares.

gavinh87 · 26 Jul 2017 at 00:27

8 Pack said:
By you?? Show me your results?? Or you typing without testing yourself again??

You have a short memory. Last time I posted results I made you look stupid when you tried to lie about your ram speeds being stable.

Now, go and take a look at the hardware unboxed review where the 1600x is within 1% of the 7800x despite being clocked lower.
This is at 1080p over 30 games with a 1080ti.
Whilst running cooler and consuming less power.

https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/1450-core-i7-vs-ryzen-5-hexa-core/page9.html