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4770k clocked at 4.6 vs 7700k clocked at 5.0 gaming difference? ld
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Yes of course it is, why wouldn't it be?
From techspots review
"Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is a poor title for Ryzen, at least when paired with a GeForce graphics card. Something about the way the Nvidia drivers handle the DX12 API just doesn't agree with Ryzen"
"Mafia III is a bit of a dodgy title and I might end up dropping it soon depending on how many of you are keen to see it remain. Initially Ryzen looked great in this title, however with each patch Ryzen's performance seems to go backwards while Intel's improves, so I'm not sure what's up with that. At one point Ryzen was actually beating the 7700K in this title at the stock clock speeds, now it trails by a 32% margin when looking at the minimum frame rate."
If we were to assume gaming was a fine unbiased IPC test then for eg mafia's III case it would be fair to assume ryzens IPC has gone down since launch , Which we all know it hasn't.
Even API changed in some games seem to affect it , Which was why i questioned the use of games as a unbiased IPC check and asked if there was a better one as games seem to have to many variables added
Not a knock on Ryzen at all i just assumed a pre compute type program would be a far better way of comparing IPC
IPC is incredibly subjective anyway, there is no one thing that you can point at and say "this is the IPC of CPU X ful stop" there is no such thing, person A can pull-up one 'compute type program' and say "look how much faster Intel is, that's IPC, person B could pull-up another one and say "look how much faster Ryzen is, that's IPC, the truth is both person A and person B are correct.
No doubt we will see some more Intel CPU reviews soon which show how fantastically fast the 5.4Ghz 7740X is, its king for IPC and Mhz, buy it noawwwwww..... i don't need them.
There will be nothing 'untruthful' about it....
Notice how some reviewers 'despite all that is known about how well Ryzen performs with fast ram' are still only using 2666Mhz ram and only testing the few games still know to effect Ryzen more adversely than Intel + one that doesn't to make it seem balanced.
Its very very difficult to do that when you're testing 30 games including all the games known to not play as nice with Ryzen, and out of that you come up with an overall picture, that to me is fair in a world where IPC of any product is whatever you want to portray it.
This is why i have always liked TPU, Interesting that they are one of few who actually call Intel out on their ####.
Intel are loosing their grip and influence with some reviewers, mmmmmmmm'good! it actually is for us mear consumers.
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There is only one game I can think of where Skylake or Kaby Lake(especially when overclocked and with higher speed RAM) is noticeably better than Haswell- Fallout 4 and even that is if you get really into settlement building and extensive modding. However,for most games I personally wouldn't bother and Fallout 4 is just another Bethesda open world game with crap optimisation. Its hilarious when Doom is very well optimised.
To put it in context I do play a decent amount of Fallout 4,on an IB based Core i7,but even though a Core i7 7700K would be the best upgrade for me,the price is beyond retarded at £300+ when you can get a Ryzen 5 1600 for under £200 which will probably be as good for almost everything else I play.
To put it in context I do play a decent amount of Fallout 4,on an IB based Core i7,but even though a Core i7 7700K would be the best upgrade for me,the price is beyond retarded at £300+ when you can get a Ryzen 5 1600 for under £200 which will probably be as good for almost everything else I play.
This is why I think the only useful benchmark comparisons are (a) at stock, and (b) at a maximum reasonable overclock (e.g. 4.9 GHz for Kaby Lake or 3.9 GHz for Ryzen). Comparing at the same clocks might be an interesting exercise in directly comparing the relative IPC of numerous CPUs in different applications, but doesn't help anyone make a decision as to which one to buy. Comparing at stupidly high clocks that require delids and custom cooling setups are generally pointless: so few people do this, and those that do probably don't care if that extra 200 MHz even helps - they're going to do it anyway.
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We need a forum thread/club for each of the below. Both are directly interchangeable with one another so maybe one would do it:
Club let's all keep upgrading for the sake of 1-2 badly optimised games, or in AMD's case many - wooo!
Or
Club let's all take a hit to our wallets to make up for manufacturer and/or developer incompetence.
Club let's all keep upgrading for the sake of 1-2 badly optimised games, or in AMD's case many - wooo!
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Club let's all take a hit to our wallets to make up for manufacturer and/or developer incompetence.
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Well I am going to fight the upgrade itch for now and pray that coffe lake appears soon ish an it's a giant leap from the 4770 k 
What do you do with the CPUs that don't clock well... slightly worrying.
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I certainly wouldn't be buying a 4c/8t cpu at this point in time, Bf1 already hits them hard. Plus the premium OC's charge for a binned chip for what you do would be ridiculous.
Yeah 7740k is the same ipc as 7700K exactly. Just clocks higher all round. Core,cache and mems go higher.
Thanks. Looking forward to see what you can offer with the 7740X. Im also waiting to see reviews of the 1900X.
Regardless of how you try to justify the cost of upgrading. If you already have a Devil’s Canyon or above just try and forget about Cpu upgrades for a few more years because you will get very little in extra performance for your money and if you must upgrade bits of your rig go for a new GPU always the best investment.