4K OLED now down to £1800

the wopster · 27 Jun 2016 at 18:21

SC0TTRS said:
Not to good if it doesn't support HDR, right?

Now I'm back from my break any 960 build after nov2015 supports HDR over HDMI

crinkleshoes · 27 Jun 2016 at 22:51

I'm about to buy something new... I want 65" but don't want to pay ~£4k for 65".

Whereas I can get a really good 65" HDR screen for £1600...

55" OLED is about £1600 here.

I've seen the 65" OLED in action... I've seen the 65" HDR screen too, but not with an HDR image source.

the wopster · 28 Jun 2016 at 10:04

crinkleshoes said:
I'm about to buy something new... I want 65" but don't want to pay ~£4k for 65".

Whereas I can get a really good 65" HDR screen for £1600...

55" OLED is about £1600 here.

I've seen the 65" OLED in action... I've seen the 65" HDR screen too, but not with an HDR image source.

You can get the 65" for about £3.5k now
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and...t-3d-4k-ultra-hd-65-oled-tv-10138596-pdt.html

HDR doesn't really work on an LCD screens because HDR ramps up the backlight to max which then really really hurts black levels, it will look OK under store lights but once you get it home under normal lighting and dark nights the blacks will look very gray and washed out.

Vertigo · 28 Jun 2016 at 10:30

woppy101 said:
HDR doesn't really work on an LCD screens because HDR ramps up the backlight to max which then really really hurts black levels, it will look OK under store lights but once you get it home under normal lighting and dark nights the blacks will look very gray and washed out.

LMAO! "doesn't really work"? Are you ever going to stop spouting this garbage?

There's far more to image quality than ultimate black levels, despite what you'd have everyone believe.

AVForums have reviewed several HDR LCD sets with exceptionally good HDR performance. In addition, their review of the LG C6, published this morning, notes that, whilst the OLED panel may have a better ultimate black level, that doesn't translate to better HDR performance.

From their summary:

Whilst the C6 could still produce a decent HDR image with far greater precision thanks to the general image benefits of OLED, it did sometimes lack the impact that is possible with some of the better LED LCD displays. There are also a number of other issues related to driving the panel harder with HDR content, such as image retention and life span, although in the case of the latter we'll have to wait and see.

Your tired "OLED is superior to everything in every possible way" rhetoric is becoming tiresome in the extreme.

the wopster · 28 Jun 2016 at 10:49

Vertigo1 said:
LMAO! "doesn't really work"? Are you ever going to stop spouting this garbage?

There's far more to image quality than ultimate black levels, despite what you'd have everyone believe.

AVForums have reviewed several HDR LCD sets with exceptionally good HDR performance. In addition, their review of the LG C6, published this morning, notes that, whilst the OLED panel may have a better ultimate black level, that doesn't translate to better HDR performance.

From their summary:

Your tired "OLED is superior to everything in every possible way" rhetoric is becoming tiresome in the extreme.

I take it you have never seen an OLED and LCD in the same room playing the same HDR content, if you had you would totally understand what I'm saying, but you crack on and believe what you want mate :rolleyes:

Vertigo · 28 Jun 2016 at 17:03

woppy101 said:
I take it you have never seen an OLED and LCD in the same room playing the same HDR content, if you had you would totally understand what I'm saying, but you crack on and believe what you want mate

Yes I have thanks. You're the one with your head in the clouds believing your own rubbish.

Comments such as "HDR doesn't really work on an LCD screens" just paint you as the blinkered fanboy you are when all the reviews say the exact opposite. The latest sets from Sony & Samsung provide excellent HDR reproduction and surpass that of some current OLED sets.

As we had already discovered when testing the C6 with HDR 10 test patterns, the OLED was clipping the specular highlights in certain scenes and changing the settings on the TV made no difference. This was particularly obvious in the arrival at Neverland scene in Pan, where the sun setting behind a mountain was just a blown-out patch of colour rather than a clearly defined circle. We often found that even if the highlights weren't clipped, they just didn't have as much impact as the same scenes viewed on an LED LCD TV. We happened to have the Samsung KS9500 at the same time as the C6 and in the scene from Pan that we just described, the sun was clearly defined on the KS9500.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way of your crusade :rolleyes:

the wopster · 28 Jun 2016 at 17:19

Vertigo1 said:
Yes I have thanks. You're the one with your head in the clouds believing your own rubbish.

Comments such as "HDR doesn't really work on an LCD screens" just paint you as the blinkered fanboy you are when all the reviews say the exact opposite. The latest sets from Sony & Samsung provide excellent HDR reproduction and surpass that of some current OLED sets.

But don't let little things like facts get in the way of your crusade

Yes the Sony and Samsung sets produce great HDR in nice bright movies until you are in a dark room with light and dark scenes on the screen at the same time, then there is no getting away from the FACT that with the backlight ramped up to the max(which it is in HDR) an LCD TV can not produce black all it can produce is dark grey, but you carry on with your LCD fanboyism

FurryLemon · 28 Jun 2016 at 18:25

Please, lets not turn this into the TV subforum on AVF....(ghastly place that is too!)

crinkleshoes · 28 Jun 2016 at 18:58

Last night I changed my order to the LG 55" OLED... now I'm thinking about changing it again to the 65"

the wopster · 28 Jun 2016 at 20:11

crinkleshoes said:
Last night I changed my order to the LG 55" OLED... now I'm thinking about changing it again to the 65"

Go for it as my wife always says bigger is better :eek:

crinkleshoes · 28 Jun 2016 at 22:35

woppy101 said:
You can get the 65" for about £3.5k now
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and...t-3d-4k-ultra-hd-65-oled-tv-10138596-pdt.html

HDR doesn't really work on an LCD screens because HDR ramps up the backlight to max which then really really hurts black levels, it will look OK under store lights but once you get it home under normal lighting and dark nights the blacks will look very gray and washed out.

Nice price... £3900 here but there is a ~£220 rebate so it brings it back down to ~£3700

If I'd bought before the vote, it would have been a touch cheaper over here... darn GBP dropping like a stone

If it was easier to transport, I'd buy in the UK at that price...

woppy101 said:
Go for it as my wife always says bigger is better

Hehe

FurryLemon · 28 Jun 2016 at 22:52

woppy101 said:
Go for it as my wife always says bigger is better

She never said that to me...

the wopster · 29 Jun 2016 at 06:27

FurryLemon said:
She never said that to me...

Why does she say it to me all the time then

crinkleshoes · 29 Jun 2016 at 07:34

woppy101 said:
Why does she say it to me all the time then

Because she learned it from FurryLemon

Switched the order to 65" last night... Maybe I had too many beers but I've had a 50" for ~6-7+ years and I wanted a bit of an upgrade... 5" would've have made much of a difference (that's what she said)

ChrisD. · 29 Jun 2016 at 09:02

I really, really want a 65" OLED. But I'm going to wait till prices come down and technology moves on a little. I'm still blown away by full HD on my current 55" OLED.