50% of the worlds wealth owned by 2%

Morba said:
well yes, religion is a pain here. they should be using condoms not spreading AIDS and having more children that wont live long.
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Very true. I also think western drugs and tech is also a problem. It used to be families had lots of children because a large number died, now due to the drugs and tech they have fewer are dying but just the same number are being boring.

This is however going a bit OT and into one of my favourite subjects, overpopulation...:D
 
salami1212 said:
Why cant there be a bank that lends money to poorer people so they can start up businesses in their countries? That could EASILY work.
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Because they either wouldn't pay it back, or some cunning chaps with ak47's would take the money/good and they'd never be able to pay it back 9assuming they're still alive).

So no it couldn't easily work.


Until you can get rid of all the gunmen you can't really go giving large sums of money or equipment to desperate people surrounded by desperate people with guns.
 
Amp34 said:
Or have less kids... Less people, less food worries... Not to mention unsustainable farming practices, corruption and multiple other issues.

Also OP it's not like that many rich people just have millions sat in a bank doing nothing...
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listen. 150 years ago, people in britain were having 10 kids. the children in those countries dont make it to teenagehood a lot of the time. What would be the point in having 2 kids and having them both die. Its a totally different world they live in.
 
Amp34 said:
Very true. I also think western drugs and tech is also a problem. It used to be families had lots of children because a large number died, now due to the drugs and tech they have fewer are dying but just the same number are being boring.

This is however going a bit OT and into one of my favourite subjects, overpopulation...:D
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Oh i agree completely. the amount of people that now live thanks to an increasingly better health service and medical technology must be huge etc etc. All helps overpopulation :P
 
salami1212 said:
haha. "they generally massacre each other". im not even gonna bother to argue your pathetic points. Wheres the war in niger , cambodia right now. 2 of the most poorest countries in the world?
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until recently Cambodia was pretty ****ing bloody.


oh and wasn't there a recent military coup in niger?
 
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salami1212 said:
Why cant there be a bank that lends money to poorer people so they can start up businesses in their countries? That could EASILY work.
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The west does try to help these countries repeatedly. The problem isn't to do with the access of money available (not talking about grassroot social mobility here, but more to do with the IMF and supranational aid programmes) but with the very countries themselves as they are often rife with corruption and apathy; it's cultural. The reality is we cannot simply snap our fingers and demand that money from the rich go to the poor and everyone lives happily ever after. The reality is that many, many issues are present in these developing states that must be tackled on a case-by-case basis and that takes time and effort.

I sincerely hope we'll get there in the end, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it in the meantime. If you want to help, raise awareness, give money to grassroots charities, and write letters to these rich egoists.
 
salami1212 said:
listen. 150 years ago, people in britain were having 10 kids. the children in those countries dont make it to teenagehood a lot of the time. What would be the point in having 2 kids and having them both die. Its a totally different world they live in.
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Ok... But that's not the case. Just look at the population increase in Africa (for example) over the last 100 years. Children per family is broadly the same, number of kids that die has dropped massively leading to population explosion.
 
Morba said:
define rich. I bet you would be surprised how many people (normal people) are within the time percentages that you are talking about.

do you have a clue about the gates foundation?
or the recent push to have the wealthiest people to give something like 50% of their wealth away?

go back to your beer.
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im not definining rich. The poorest man in the world could be rich if he had a life he loved.

RICH money wise as in the 2% which own half the worlds wealth. I dont think your comprehending how divided that makes the world. Yea of course i do, bill gates is a legend in my eyes.. But thats 2 people! im not talking about people giving half their money for no good reason.

If every millionaires gave away 10 grand each, the difference to their lives
would be negligible.. the difference it would make to MILLIONS of others would be major, and you know that.

Itt is a damnnnn good reason, they would be saving lives, creating opportunities, healthcare, education, generally making the world a better place for those countries. for the people in those countries.

listen right, the world is gonna stay this ****** up if everyone thinks like most of you do.
 
Problem is very few people have millions in liquid assets or as cash stuffed under their matress... and then you have the problem of where does it end? - you could drain every penny you had trying to help "good causes" and so on (and see very little real difference happening).

A good number of millionaires, etc. do actually have some involvement in charitable concerns, etc. anyhow.

End of the day the changes your talking about need to come from the human race as a whole, only when humanity as a whole becomes somewhat more enlightened and less self centered will those changes happen no amount of throwing money at it will solve it.
 
Jambo said:
Why don't you get wealthy and help?
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mate i will

Amp34 said:
Ok... But that's not the case. Just look at the population increase in Africa (for example) over the last 100 years. Children per family is broadly the same, number of kids that die has dropped massively leading to population explosion.
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ok, britains had a population explosion. now we have calmed down a bit. Its not an instant thing, its gradual. + they dont have contraception and people love sex.
 
Rroff said:
Problem is very few people have millions in liquid assets or as cash stuffed under their matress... and then you have the problem of where does it end? - you could drain every penny you had trying to help "good causes" and so on (and see very little real difference happening).

A good number of millionaires, etc. do actually have some involvement in charitable concerns, etc. anyhow.

End of the day the changes your talking about need to come from the human race as a whole, only when humanity as a whole becomes somewhat more enlightened and less self centered will those changes happen no amount of throwing money at it will solve it.
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good man, on the same wavelength. if everyone thought exactly like you do, then we would advance as a race so so much quicker.
 
Well considering you only need to be making more than around £150k in the US to be included in the top 2% that means, when added to the rest of the world probably something like only £50k will put you in the top 2% of the worlds earners. So actually there are probably quite a few people on this board who are in that bracket...
 
salami1212 said:
If every millionaires gave away 10 grand each, the difference to their lives
would be negligible.. the difference it would make to MILLIONS of others would be major, and you know that.
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Oh really? How much would that raise? And what would they do with the money?

Naivety in the extreme.
 
salami1212 said:
im not definining rich. The poorest man in the world could be rich if he had a life he loved.

RICH money wise as in the 2% which own half the worlds wealth. I dont think your comprehending how divided that makes the world. Yea of course i do, bill gates is a legend in my eyes.. But thats 2 people! im not talking about people giving half their money for no good reason.

If every millionaires gave away 10 grand each, the difference to their lives
would be negligible.. the difference it would make to MILLIONS of others would be major, and you know that.

Itt is a damnnnn good reason, they would be saving lives, creating opportunities, healthcare, education, generally making the world a better place for those countries. for the people in those countries.

listen right, the world is gonna stay this ****** up if everyone thinks like most of you do.
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Calm down, Morba wasn't for a second suggesting that this is fair or right, he's merely pointing out that for the average person they are concentrating on only getting by themselves so how can they be expected to address someone else's problems when they're wrestling with their own? They're simply not in a position to help.

Throwing money at these countries does not fix them. Re-read that sentence and allow it to sink in. We've learned this painfully over the last 30 or so years. Money is nothing without infrastructure and infrastructure is nothing without education and culture to prop it up.

The west isn't sitting back and allowing this to happen indifferently Salami. The problem is that there is no easy fix and no one really has definitive answers - it's all trial and error and very slow progress.
 
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