58% of all rapes in Sweden committed by immigrants

chroniclard said:
Fake news.
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You certainly are peddling fake news.....

Trotting out the trend of reduction in overall crime rates in Western countries.... A trend that has been observed for some time in the West, both in countries that have significant immigration and thoose that don't.....

Crime is plunging in the rich world.

From Japan to Estonia, property and people are now safer than at almost any time since the 1970's. Confounding expectations, the recession has not interrupted the downward trend.
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So the reduction is not likely strongly linked to immigration rather factors like improved vehicle/ home security and improved medical treatment (fewer deaths from assaults) may be significant factors.

Whilst ignoring that the figures for some violent and or sexual offences might not be following the overall trend in some countries in recent years.
 
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One of the major issues I spoke of ages ago is that of not being able to deport those migrants who have no ID. This has seemingly been proven to be the case now in Germany. Not only have countries taken in thousands and thousands of paperless migrants who now will be unable to be deported because they refuse to state from where they came, this same issue will impact the situation when they will want to bring in relatives. If we do not know who they are how can the rights of relatives to also come be challenged? Who may, or may not be legitimate relatives? To state this will never happen as the migrants are not German or Swedish citizens will assuredly not be the case, these countries will eventually capitulate and have an amnesty giving existent migrants citizenship. Then another explosive immigration will be started.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1009079/germany-migrant-crisis-deportation-africa


"The man, who came to Germany in 1998 without a passport, claims to be from various North African countries including Algeria and Morocco.

He has allegedly been using legal loopholes to stay in Germany despite having a staggering 542 criminal investigations against him.

The migrant has been accused of a string of crimes including assault, theft, robbery and buying drugs, local media said.

He was recently arrested by police but authorities have clue what the man's name is nor where he comes from.

proceedings were for possession and purchase of narcotics


As a result, they are unable to deport him to his country of origin.

He reportedly lives on the streets of Frankfurt, a city in central Germany, according to Bild newspaper.

High commissioner Ruedigar Buchta said: "A third of the proceedings were for possession and purchase of narcotics.

"Some were for the fraudulent acquisition of services like fare dodging.

"Added to this is assault, theft and robbery, and many offences against the Residence Act."


The unnamed migrant has been accused of a string of crimes
He spoke an unknown language and refused to cooperate with the authorities.

He was allegedly born in 1959 somewhere in North Africa but no country has shown any records of him.

The only information German authorities have on him are his fingerprints but database searches have yielded no matches.

Police have since had to release the man."

It's all going swimmingly.... And people said there would be no swing to the Right <LOL> You ain't seen nothing yet.
 
It beggars belief that in these days of high tech and major security worries a guy can tip up in Germany, allegedly commit hundreds of offences and each time he is arrested and asked who he is and from whence he came he can simply say "Not telling..." and be allowed to go on his crime ridden way. Try that yourself in Germany next time a summons arrives in the post, or a copper pulls you over if you aren't a paperless migrant.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Whilst I don't like the message of the news articles quoted, there is no reason to suggest it's fake. Do you have any reason to say this other than disagreeing with the content?
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Review his previous posts. You'll see your final sentence sums it up perfectly.
 
much more revealing when you look at an unbiased new source.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764

"We are very clear in the programme that it is a small percentage of the people coming from abroad who are convicted of rape," chief editor Ulf Johansson told the BBC
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When Sweden took in its highest number of asylum seekers in 2015, the number of reported rapes declined by 12%.
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So there doesn't seem to be a correlation between the asylum seekers and rats of reported rape.


But the most shocking thing is the extremely small conviction rate. It looks like 5% of reports are leading to convictions. SO the real question should be what percentage of the reported rape cases involve foreign born. With these kinds of statistics, the disparity in convictions can be due to any number of reasons. Do foreign born immigrants accused of rape receive equal quality legal aid? Are juries entirely without racial bias? For foreign born rape suspects have the same ability to make legal defense.

Looking into things a bit more,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden
Sweden uses very different statistics for recording crime and different definitions of rape and sexual assault compared to other countries. This makes any international comparisons fairly flawed.

This was also interesting:
The number of convictions has remained relatively unchanged since 2005, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year.[8][9
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So there has been no long term change in rape conviction rate despite the increase in foreign born migrants and asylum seekers. So did Swedish men suddenly stop raping and left it to the migrants/ Seems doubtful.




Given the atrociously poor conviction rate, it is very hard to determine anything about migrant vs native rape incident rates with any certainty.
 
So you are saying immigration has been great for the indigenous women of Sweden, they have no issues and all is hunky dory? We'll see what the Swedes themselves reckon on the 9th of September...
 
Chris Wilson said:
So you are saying immigration has been great for the indigenous women of Sweden, they have no issues and all is hunky dory? We'll see what the Swedes themselves reckon on the 9th of September...
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"The indigenous women of Sweden" - what do you mean by this exactly? Like anywhere in Europe, Sweden is genetically fairly diverse and there are few who are truly indigenous to the country. I presume you're actually talking about women who were born in Sweden and look stereotypically native, i.e. blonde hair, fair skin.

But the implications of your phraseology aside, I think that what he's saying is that there's little correlation between the rate of sexual assault to the rate of immigration. In any group of people ("indigenous" or otherwise) there is always going to be a subset who are 'bad'. There are also inherent biases that can lead to the skewing of statistical data like in the OP. For example, it may be that women are more inclined to report sexual assault when committed by someone unfamiliar, or it may be that there is a higher conviction rate for immigrants vs. residents for whatever reason. Even if you stopped immigration entirely and removed the immigrant population, sexual assault would still occur and it'd still occur at around the same rate per capita as it does now. Of course, in terms of overall numbers it'd be lower but you could achieve the same thing by reducing the population in other ways like mandatory euthanisation of all males over the age of 30, for instance. Strangely nobody's calling for such measures to protect the indigenous female population. Wonder why that is?

None of that changes how the population as a whole perceive what's happening, however, in the same way that the majority of Britons perceived Brexit to be a Good Thing in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary. Polls and elections are driven by social media and internet news and as we've seen a lot recently, pretty much anyone can win if they have the resources to be able to manipulate people into believing their narrative.
 
Social media and internet news sites for sure are part of the way some make up their minds as how to vote. But I would suggest the voters are also strongly driven by what they see around them and how changes in the demographics affect their enjoyment of their country.

I very much doubt rape reporting is much swayed by whether the attacker is known to the victim or not, if that were the case poor old Harvey would not be looking a bit stressed out. I won't get into what the indigenous population of Sweden may or may not be, I think your are too far gone in the political correctness stakes to have an honest understanding of it. Let the Swedes vote and we'll see if it is a perceived problem over there or not ;) It's their gaff and time will tell if they think 600,000 plus immigrants have improved their lot or worsened it.
 
xyphic said:
"The indigenous women of Sweden" - what do you mean by this exactly? Like anywhere in Europe, Sweden is genetically fairly diverse and there are few who are truly indigenous to the country. I presume you're actually talking about women who were born in Sweden and look stereotypically native, i.e. blonde hair, fair skin.
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Much like the rest of Europe, including the UK, if you looked at the DNA of people in Sweden who have heritage solely from people born in Sweden prior to the 1950's You find that there would be very little evidence to suggest much migration into the country had occurred for thousands of years before the 1950's.

In fact the localisation of 'indigenous' DNA is so strong within a country like Sweeden that there a there are significant differences between the 'white' populations internally based on their geographical location.

So your claims that Sweden is 'fairly diverse' doesn't seem to stack up unless you are referring to the existing diversity tied to different geographical areas already existing for the 'white' population. So Sweden internally has a number of different indegenious 'white' populations rather than just one.

The claims that European countries were very 'diverse' due to ongoing mass migrations between them prior to the 1950's is a proven lie spread by some to try to normalise actual mass migration in the last 50 years or so.

The overall message is that despite their large cultural impact, Britain’s main invaders left no genetic stamp of note. “When you study the past through history, linguistics or archaeology, you learn about successful people,” says Donnelly. “History is written by the winners, so much of current historical information is from a relatively small subset of people. Genetics, by contrast, is the history of the masses.”
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Chris Wilson said:
So you are saying immigration has been great for the indigenous women of Sweden, they have no issues and all is hunky dory? We'll see what the Swedes themselves reckon on the 9th of September...
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I don;t know what indigenous women of Sweden means really, and what about other women living in Sweden, or dot hey not count?

Anyway, the statistics are clear that convicted rape rates have not changed since 2005, and when Sweden experienced its largest intake of asylum seekers the number of reported rapes decreased.

Women living in Sweden should be most concerned about the atrocious conviction rate, seems to be less than 10%.
 
D.P. said:
I don;t know what indigenous women of Sweden means really, and what about other women living in Sweden, or dot hey not count?
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Its strange that you don't understand what 'indigenous' means as you seem quite able to apply the principles behind the word to non 'white' populations when it suits you?

What is a 'native' aboriginal Australian if not an 'indigenous' one?

D.P. said:
So why should native Aboriginals Australians have any more right to emigrate to the Uk than our European neighbors when Britain was formed by European migration, not Australian emigration.
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Perhaps you could clarify, in your mind, what would consistutes an 'indegenous' population and by extension what 'indegenous' populations do actually exist? (if any?)
 
Whatever the definition of indigenous might be to people here, it seems there are those in Dresden at this moment who are expressing displeasure against Mrs. Merkel's open door immigration policy and the result of it:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten...e-versammeln-sich-vor-landtag-in-dresden.html

There is also another protest planned for this afternoon in Chemnitz.

There are some that say this may spread much further afield across the country.
 
Caracus2k said:
Its strange that you don't understand what 'indigenous' means as you seem quite able to apply the principles behind the word to non 'white' populations when it suits you?

What is a 'native' aboriginal Australian if not an 'indigenous' one?



Perhaps you could clarify, in your mind, what would consistutes an 'indegenous' population and by extension what 'indegenous' populations do actually exist? (if any?)
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Well Sweden has an indigenous population of Sami people. I just fail to see why you are singling out the Sami population as being victims of rape.
 
Caracus2k said:
And are the Sami people the only indigenous population of Sweden? By what standard are they indigenous (and others potentially not) ?


Don't forget that science is increasing causing issues for the claims of certain peoples being the first 'humans' in a given geographical area.....
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Yes, the Sami people are recognised as indigenous people of northern Sweden by both the Swedish government and the UN. I don't believe any other group not people receive such recognition.


I don't understand bthr relevsrel of your link. Seems completely unrelated to Sweden,let alone your desired title which has nothing to do with the article ypy Linked to.


So, does Chris the racist Wilson, only care about Sami rapes?
 
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