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6600xt vs 3060 , 1 month in!
- Thread starter Harlequin
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The HUB video demonstrates the RX 6600XT matching the RTX 3060 in Ray Tracing, in 3 titles. You disagree with their results. You argue it doesnt have DLSS, well no it has FSR. You saying *running CUDA* , thats not how that works; https://www.gamersnexus.net/dictionary/2-cuda-cores#:~:text=CUDA Cores are parallel processors,visually to the end-user. AMD have their own version. The AMD GPGPU is OpenCL and Metal.
No the HUB video has demonstrated games with different uses of RT, lighting, shadows, smoke (they have explained why they use 1 title to demonstrate the same type of effect as seen in other titles - , so when a game uses RT shadows and lighting but not reflections, it is showcased with 1 game)
Just because you dont like the choices, dont make it less valid.
DLSS is upscaled anti aliasing ; but dont take my word for it
NVIDIA DLSS | NVIDIA Developer
thats Nvidia themselves. AMD have there own Temporal AA along with CAS. Give it time, both will work well but have their own challenges. Nvidia have a moniker. AMD have its own CUDA , its called OpenCL, see GN link about what CUDA actually is , its not what you think it is.
No FSR is not a 50 year old upscaler, that has been totally disproved:
Debunking "FSR is just Lanczos" claims : Amd (reddit.com)
Not simply going to copy/paste the legwork thats been done before; short answer , no its not.
The go complain to HUB, who have explained the reasons why they chose the different titles: to pre se, each different titles uses a different RT technique. Just because you dont like the ones chosen, doesnt make it invalid.
DLSS also still makes mistakes and still has the ghosting problem , of moving objects not tied to motion vectors; CP 2077, NIOH2 and Death Stranding are notable examples. This isnt to say that FSR is a blanket `uber` solution - it isnt, and it has its own set of issues BUT, DLSS is not the perfect solution or `special` at all.
No you are putting words into my mouth here about OpenCL, stop the straw man.
Again show me where I said FSR was? I said FSR is a legacy based upscaler designed for consoles as they are more likely to be plugged in to 4k tvs.
Remember this is a PC enthusiasts forum. If you like red then perhaps Crayola has something on offer
See the reddit link, FSR is NOT based on a legacy upscaling anything, only Digital Shilleries is still pushing that discredited story on behalf of their employer.
As you say this is a pc enthusiasts forum, and school will be back for you tomorrow. Enjoy year 9......
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AGAIN, HUB have already explained the choices used - each different game uses a different technique for RT, thus covering a very wide range of RT gaming. Just because YOU dont like the titles sued doesnt make them invalid. Got a problem? Go complain to HUB, since the testing is very valid.
So you complain about it then say its click bait, all while offering absolutely no evidence at all. Sounds like a shill. As you are complaining about HUB here are someways for you to contact them to whinge:
Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed) / Twitter
Hardware Unboxed | Facebook
Hardware Unboxed - YouTube
Im sure they will reply with the answers you seek....
No there isnt, maybe you need glasses
Oh bless you, you must have missed every single thread about DLSS and problems , a quick forum search will bring the plethora of threads to your attention. ghosting is a problem in many titles, and one acknowledged by the game maker. And again with the straw man, i didnt say DLSS was `bad`, i said you think its some sort of special and uber solution, when its not. Also, go complain to HUB.
Erm, because you mention that AMD doesnt use CUDA cores, i replied no as thats Nvidia marketting name, AMD uses OpenCL for its GPGPU, so im challenging your spurious claim. Again.
Thank you for confirming you didnt click the Rddit link
here it is again
Debunking "FSR is just Lanczos" claims : Amd (reddit.com)
Schools off, some kid dressed in red kept shoving crayons up his nose.
Bless you son, its nearly time for bath and bed for you. School day tomorrow.
Links above so you can whinge at HUB, im sure they`ll happy explain why you are just whinging.
No, because it debunks everything you have said. Context is everything, not your cherry picking. Your comment needs to be aimed at HUB.
I certainly have no `ghosting issues`, you need an eye test.
I said DLSS provides a very natural solution. I hope your not a priest since you brought up school
DLSS is not `natural`, if it guesses anything it perceives as missing, and upscales from a lower resolution. Its a fudge for not having enough horsepower to render properly.
CUDA is from 2007 and stands for Compute Uniform Device Architecture. As an API (application programming interface) cuda allows software direct access to the virtual instruction set. OpenCL does similar. as does Metal. Its not magical as you are infering.
Have a read and learn something:
CUDA Zone | NVIDIA Developer
because Reddit debunk everything you have claimed about it being for consoles and old tech.
What is of interest is HUB saying that in the wider benchmarks, the 6600XT is not as `fast` as the AMD titles first reviewed, that at the lower end of the market RT works for both almost equally (unless you render the 3060 at 720p and upscaled with DLSS). But, the most relevant metric is cost; The 3060 is a lot more to buy (the ones in stock not the tiny drops of FE cards, which is something HUB agrees with).Overall the 6600XT is the better value option.
AMD has both excellent video encoding (you didnt watch the HUB video did you, they talked about this as well) and has noise cancelling as well. Feature thats both vendors have and work well. RT works well unless its on a cherry picked title (remember, a 3090 even at 4k doesn`t keep to 60 fps with RT enabled and it forced to use DLSS in CP2077)
Just as you also didnt read the reddit thread or even the nvidia dev page, hence why you carried on with the trolling, even when proven so utterly wrong. CUDA is a software API for direct to gpu programming and ahs been in use for 14 years. Its Nvidia branded GPGPU , nothing more. Please read the above links and learn something today.
Hilarious this thread, plenty of fingers in the ears happeningJust goes to show how delusional some people are.
^^
This guy gets it.
Those are "facts" based on that video if you just want to compare "only" ray tracing capabilities.
Is the 6600xt a better card "overall", it probably is, but doesn't that come down to what price you can get the cards for and also what people want from their card?
Oh dear - Please whinge at HUB, they have explained why they use each game , as each represents a different form of RT, so the games chosen cover the range of RT available. Just because you dont like them doesnt mean they are invalid.
AMD RX Vega 64 vs GTX 1080 Ti vs GTX 1080 vs GTX 1070 in 2021 - YouTube
More Nv marketing im afraid - Vega 64 still does very well in gaming
Oh dear, the same ones who complained about tessellation not being on ultra max are now complaining about RT not being on ultra max , because it shows `their team` isnt as uber 1337 as they want to believe. /Facepalm.
Again, for the ones at the back who are shouting; the games chosen are each a representation of different DXR techniques ; just because YOU do not like them doesn't make them any less valid. Jensen Huang doesn't care, he sells shed loads to miners anyway
Again, for the ones at the back who are shouting; the games chosen are each a representation of different DXR techniques ; just because YOU do not like them doesn't make them any less valid. Jensen Huang doesn't care, he sells shed loads to miners anyway
Oh dear, you must have been too young to not be aware of the entire over tessalated benchmarks and initial use in games, to show off the effects that it brought. Just as now with DXR, it was touted as the next bug thing. Its ok lad, we understand. DXR is the same but in 2021.