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6600xt vs 3060 , 1 month in!

The HUB settings only make limited use of RT and only 2-3 games - it isn't a good comparison for how well the cards stack up for RT.
 
The HUB settings only make limited use of RT and only 2-3 games - it isn't a good comparison for how well the cards stack up for RT.


AGAIN, HUB have already explained the choices used - each different game uses a different technique for RT, thus covering a very wide range of RT gaming. Just because YOU dont like the titles sued doesnt make them invalid. Got a problem? Go complain to HUB, since the testing is very valid.
 
The go complain to HUB, who have explained the reasons why they chose the different titles: to pre se, each different titles uses a different RT technique. Just because you dont like the ones chosen, doesnt make it invalid.

Again I've not said that I dont like the ones chosen. I feel they chose very simple workloads to put AMD in a better light. HUB are afterall in the click-bait business.

DLSS also makes mistakes and still has the ghosting problem , of moving objects not tier to motion vectors; CP 2077, NIOH2 and Death Stranding are notable examples. This isnt to say that FSR is a blanket `uber` solution - it isnt, and it has its own set of issues BUT, DLSS is not the perfect solution or `special` at all.

Shake your hand, fingers out stretched, in front of your face. Tell me there is no ghosting...

DLSS provides a very natural way of upscaling using motion vectors and AI to provide a more pleasing image. Sure you can argue that's not true, but your very much in the minority.

No you are putting words into my mouth here about OpenCL, stop the straw man.

So why do you keep bring up OpenCL?

See the reddit link, FSR is NOT based on a legacy upscaling anything, only Digital Shilleries is still pushing that discredited story on behalf of their employer.

Again with the paranoia....

What new tech has brought FSR in to play? What unknown technique did FSR uncover? Could FSR have been implemented 10 or more years ago?

As you say this is a pc enthusiasts forum, and school will be back for you tomorrow. Enjoy year 9......

:cry:

Schools off, some kid dressed in red kept shoving crayons up his nose.
 
AGAIN, HUB have already explained the choices used - each different game uses a different technique for RT, thus covering a very wide range of RT gaming. Just because YOU dont like the titles sued doesnt make them invalid. Got a problem? Go complain to HUB, since the testing is very valid.

They used reduced RT settings and/or turned some RT features off - that doesn't really give a meaningful result for a proper workload.

I haven't spent much time with either card infact none with the 6600XT so no idea if it changes the results but it will tend to mask the burden on lesser hardware.
 
Again I've not said that I dont like the ones chosen. I feel they chose very simple workloads to put AMD in a better light. HUB are afterall in the click-bait business.

So you complain about it then say its click bait, all while offering absolutely no evidence at all. Sounds like a shill. As you are complaining about HUB here are someways for you to contact them to whinge:

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed) / Twitter

Hardware Unboxed | Facebook

Hardware Unboxed - YouTube

Im sure they will reply with the answers you seek....




Shake your hand, fingers out stretched, in front of your face. Tell me there is no ghosting...

No there isnt, maybe you need glasses

DLSS provides a very natural way of upscaling using motion vectors and AI to provide a more pleasing image. Sure you can argue that's not true, but your very much in the minority.

Oh bless you, you must have missed every single thread about DLSS and problems , a quick forum search will bring the plethora of threads to your attention. ghosting is a problem in many titles, and one acknowledged by the game maker. And again with the straw man, i didnt say DLSS was `bad`, i said you think its some sort of special and uber solution, when its not. Also, go complain to HUB.



So why do you keep bring up OpenCL?

Erm, because you mention that AMD doesnt use CUDA cores, i replied no as thats Nvidia marketting name, AMD uses OpenCL for its GPGPU, so im challenging your spurious claim. Again.



Again with the paranoia....

What new tech has brought FSR in to play? What unknown technique did FSR uncover? Could FSR have been implemented 10 or more years ago?

Thank you for confirming you didnt click the Rddit link

here it is again

Debunking "FSR is just Lanczos" claims : Amd (reddit.com)


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Schools off, some kid dressed in red kept shoving crayons up his nose.

Bless you son, its nearly time for bath and bed for you. School day tomorrow.
 
They used reduced RT settings and/or turned some RT features off - that doesn't really give a meaningful result for a proper workload.

I haven't spent much time with either card infact none with the 6600XT so no idea if it changes the results but it will tend to mask the burden on lesser hardware.


Links above so you can whinge at HUB, im sure they`ll happy explain why you are just whinging.
 
Its hard for some people to be objective on here. That or its rather obvious which brand people want to defend.

I watched the HU video while eating my supper there. What I took from it was even though they say its close (between 5-10%) the pricing of the 6600 kills it.

Then I think the reason why they made the video was at the end if you see how much Australia gets shafted its no wonder the taste seems a bit pro AMD.
 
Just becuase you refuse to accept facts doesn't make it a troll post. Show me RDNA2 running CUDA, DLSS, or even matching Ampere's RT performance. I admit it compete's in rasterisation, but this is on a smaller node with up to 50% increased clock speeds and sadly at a time where rasterisation is certainly fast enough with the focus moving to RT and AI based super sampling.

RTX 3060 can't do proper image quality.
Can't do Radeon Image Sharpening. Radeon™ Software | Radeon™ Image Sharpening | AMD
Can't do Contrast Adaptive Sharpening. AMD FidelityFX - Contrast Adaptive Sharpening - GPUOpen
Can't do Radeon Boost. AMD Radeon™ Boost Technology | AMD
 
So you complain about it then say its click bait, all while offering absolutely no evidence at all. Sounds like a shill. As you are complaining about HUB here are someways for you to contact them to whinge:

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed) / Twitter

Hardware Unboxed | Facebook

Hardware Unboxed - YouTube

Im sure they will reply with the answers you seek....

Let's keep it to the GPUs in question for now. You can learn how people make money on Youtube later.

No there isnt, maybe you need glasses

Photoreceptors take time to react hence ghosting.

Oh bless you, you must have missed every single thread about DLSS and problems , a quick forum search will bring the plethora of threads to your attention. ghosting is a problem in many titles, and one acknowledged by the game maker. And again with the straw man, i didnt say DLSS was `bad`, i said you think its some sort of special and uber solution, when its not. Also, go complain to HUB.

I said DLSS provides a very natural solution. I hope your not a priest since you brought up school :eek:

Erm, because you mention that AMD doesnt use CUDA cores, i replied no as thats Nvidia marketting name, AMD uses OpenCL for its GPGPU, so im challenging your spurious claim. Again.

No. I said that AMD was unable to support CUDA in responce to the claim that RDNA2 can do everything that RTX can. I've also said that Nvidia cards can work with OpenCL.

Thank you for confirming you didnt click the Rddit link

here it is again

Debunking "FSR is just Lanczos" claims : Amd (reddit.com)

I don't see what reddit has to do with FSR. I never once claimed FSR is based on Lanczos. That is something you decided upon.

What new tech has brought FSR in to play? What unknown technique did FSR uncover? Could FSR have been implemented 10 or more years ago?

Bless you son, its nearly time for bath and bed for you. School day tomorrow.

Again your sounding like a creepy priest :eek:
 
The RDNA2 cards are cheaper in general due to lacking modern features/performance, hence not so desired

No you know this is a troll post.

Unfortunately, it was a troll post.

Just becuase you refuse to accept facts

lol
Look at the Facts:


Zotac GeForce RTX 3070 Ti AMP Extreme Holo Review - The Best RTX 3070 Ti - Relative Performance | TechPowerUp

The RDNA 2 cards definitely do not lack modern Performance. :cry:
 
Let's keep it to the GPUs in question for now. You can learn how people make money on Youtube later.

No, because it debunks everything you have said. Context is everything, not your cherry picking. Your comment needs to be aimed at HUB.



Photoreceptors take time to react hence ghosting.

I certainly have no `ghosting issues`, you need an eye test.



I said DLSS provides a very natural solution. I hope your not a priest since you brought up school :eek:

DLSS is not `natural`, if it guesses anything it perceives as missing, and upscales from a lower resolution. Its a fudge for not having enough horsepower to render properly.



No. I said that AMD was unable to support CUDA in responce to the claim that RDNA2 can do everything that RTX can. I've also said that Nvidia cards can work with OpenCL.

CUDA is from 2007 and stands for Compute Uniform Device Architecture. As an API (application programming interface) cuda allows software direct access to the virtual instruction set. OpenCL does similar. as does Metal. Its not magical as you are infering.

Have a read and learn something:

CUDA Zone | NVIDIA Developer



I don't see what reddit has to do with FSR. I never once claimed FSR is based on Lanczos. That is something you decided upon.

because Reddit debunk everything you have claimed about it being for consoles and old tech.
 
No, because it debunks everything you have said. Context is everything, not your cherry picking. Your comment needs to be aimed at HUB.

Well let HUB come to me, I'm tired of electronic beggars posting half the story to increase clicks.

I certainly have no `ghosting issues`, you need an eye test.

All I can suggest is you research human vision.

DLSS is not `natural`, if it guesses anything it perceives as missing, and upscales from a lower resolution. Its a fudge for not having enough horsepower to render properly.

It uses motion vectors along with data built from several frames and what it has learned via AI to predict.

CUDA is from 2007 and stands for Compute Uniform Device Architecture. As an API (application programming interface) cuda allows software direct access to the virtual instruction set. OpenCL does similar. as does Metal. Its not magical as you are infering.

Have a read and learn something:

CUDA Zone | NVIDIA Developer

Yes or no. Can RDNA2 run CUDA code? Next, where did I infer CUDA was magical? I listed the obvious things that you can do with an RTX card that you can't do with RDNA2.

because Reddit debunk everything you have claimed about it being for consoles and old tech.

Then reddit is wrong, or there is the slim chance that you didn't understand what I said. How many times have I corrected you so far?
 
That's great for rasterisation. Something no one was argueing about.

What happens when they use current gen features, namely raytracing?

I don't think that neutral people take "ray-tracing" seriously.
Actually, it's quite the opposite. It is a resource-heavy, hogging "feature" that's largely unnecessary today.

We have more important things to focus on and to invest transistors to.
 
Its a rubbish card that only matches a 5700XT and costs more than that card did 2 years ago. The only thing that makes it even worth considering is there is nothing else to buy around this price but if Nvidia had 3060ti's anywhere close to msrp then no one would buy the 6600XT.
 
I don't think that neutral people take "ray-tracing" seriously.
Actually, it's quite the opposite. It is a resource-heavy, hogging "feature" that's largely unnecessary today.

We have more important things to focus on and to invest transistors to.

That would be why Hollywood still hangs paper plates from string for their latest blockbuster.

Here I am still with an ancient 3770k enjoying RT with a 3080. What more important things would you focus on?
 
That would be why Hollywood still hangs paper plates from string for their latest blockbuster.

Here I am still with an ancient 3770k enjoying RT with a 3080. What more important things would you focus on?

Image quality :D

Ray-tracing is a fake "feature". There is nothing in these games that you can't do without using the classic lighting environments.

But even there, Nvidia cheats and can't do anything properly.
 
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