same here mate, thats why ive waited.... shud be big increase. Does anyone here recomend asrock borads? are they just terrible quality versions of asus? ive ALWAYS used asus so im thiking i might get annoyed with quality?
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6870 is here! for £170, WTF?? HELP!!
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same here mate, thats why ive waited.... shud be big increase. Does anyone here recomend asrock borads? are they just terrible quality versions of asus? ive ALWAYS used asus so im thiking i might get annoyed with quality?
ooooh dear.... theres gonna be some hair pulling going on here in a min i can tell.
........i did try to change the subject a bit
First I second JTrickle's above quote.
2: no, the 6xxx is the last revision, so it's somehow more efficient.
3: no.
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The fact is, the un-informed AVERAGE joe that owns a 5850 or a 5870 might well be suckered into buying a 6850/6870, thinking quite reasonably that these are a generation ahead and yet end up with much worse performance!
Just imagine if the GTX580 and GTX570 performed WORSE than the 480/470, regardless of whatever pricepoint- it's still misleading.
I'm not saying NV don't do dubious stuff (they do) but just 'cos it's ATI/AMD the usual cheerleaders can't see the issue, which is really quite lol-able.
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I do remember that 9800GTX being worse that the 8800GTX btw, ah those were the days. 
I don't really mind if you read my posts or not.
However, I can and usually try to be objective when it comes to technology and have always been. I use both Intel and AMD processors, Nvidia and ATI graphics cards, Apple and Android based smartphones, TN and IPS monitors, speakers and headphones, and lots of other equipment that I've never been biased towards. I'm in no way associated with the industry, it would be pointless for me to put on either side.
It's quite rude of you to bash me with accusations of "defending ATI" (ATI brand does no longer exists, they have their own lawyers to defend them and I'm pretty sure they don't need me) and then tell me to bugger off because you're not gonna be bothered with reading my reply. Why bother posting then?
If said GTX580/570 were a different technology or implemented new ideas (not higher bandwidth/clocks/whatever on the same architecture) and performed slightly worse than their previous generation name equivalents, AND offered something else besides performance at a reasonable price (AMD 6850/6870 $179/239 at launch, ATI 5850/5870 $299/399 at launch), then WTF would the problem be? The only thing these cards have in-common is their performance. And I already explained why AMD wouldn't name them after 5750/5770 (which is pricing). To give you more info on the subject, AMD is still supplying 5770s and will continue till Q1 2011. That's when 6750/70 is supposedly released.
PS show me my posts trashing Nvidia for silly things. I can show you those where I often recommend GeForces over Radeons.
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I am now using an asrock board having always used the asus ones and I can't fault it mate. Had no problems with it unlike my asus and the support site is a bit easier when downloading stuff.
That fact is the AVERAGE joe who buys a 5850 or a 5870 will not be likely an uninformed person in the first place & also the price would start alarm bells ringing.
Asking this in the wrong forum, mate! People here are too busy arguing about Nvidia/Amd
.I dont think you'll find x16/x16 x-fire/sli in anything other than a 1356/x58 i7 mobo. But x8/x8 is no slower so dont worry about it. Only a few % at extreme multiple monitor resolutions with ultra top-end hardware. Just make sure you dont get a mobo that can only do x4/x16 as the x4 is really too slow.
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You don't know either yet, so...
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No, because the 6870 has more features and could be argued that it's the better card, so it's not just as bad as Nvidia re-badging the SAME card, but it's certainly not ideal either.
Thanks for that dude i might just get one... only thing im worried about is im gonna spend the extra money on this crossfire board, then when i come to get a new card put in ill probably think "well i may as well sell my 6870 and get a card to run at full x16 insead"..... im so indescisive but i hate wasting money. question is.... do i think two cards in x8 x8 will be any good.... they must be, everyone else is buying these boards so i am clearly a noob. A poor noob who needs to get some more money if he wants the best!
i actually know someone whos just sold a 5850 for a 6850.... unlucky.
Or just read the summary of any review.
I would say the average person who owns a 58xx or GTX470/80 will be fairly well informed.
That would be fine as well, as was rebranding the 8800. Things get rebranded, or names changed all the time in lots of industries. It's a pretty common marketing practice.
People should be ready to spend 5 minutes to make sure they're making the correct purchase.
Asking this in the wrong forum, mate! People here are too busy arguing about Nvidia/Amd
I dont think you'll find x16/x16 x-fire/sli in anything other than a 1356/x58 i7 mobo. But x8/x8 is no slower so dont worry about it. Only a few % at extreme multiple monitor resolutions with ultra top-end hardware. Just make sure you dont get a mobo that can only do x4/x16 as the x4 is really too slow.
By god thank you my friend youve now cleared my mind, its taken a while to get it out of these guys theyre in a world of their own, BUT, im the one who started it!!!
i game at 1080p on a hdtv so i should be ok with x8 speeds then? I thought it was more like.... if you have a powerfull card (and im guessing the 6870 is pretty powerrfull), it means that power is effectively cut off... so if you have say a massive 5970 or something, the restriction would make it run the same as a 5850...... am i right or wrong?
IVE ALMOST GOT IT!!! ***NOOB ALERT****
IVE ALMOST GOT IT!!! ***NOOB ALERT****
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XFire 6870s are better than XFire 5850s, both absolute terms and terms of percentage scaling. The 6870s scaling is about 10% better than the 5850s.
In terms of XFire 6850s, although the single 6850s are slower than 5850s, in Xfire they are about equal to 5850s in absolute terms since they scale better in Xfire
Both of you are wrong.
PCI-E 2.0 16x vs 8x, there's about 3% difference that can slightly increase with resolution but there are configurations where number of PCI-E lanes will matter. 1366 mobos aren't the only ones with 16x/16x lanes, there are some AMD and Intel mobos for most current sockets that do this with a help of Nvidia chipset. It's worth noting that PCI-E 1.1 or 1.0 will be twice as slow as PCI-E 2.0 thus making 8x/8x a no-no for both Crossfire and SLI.
PCI-E lanes have nothing to do with power output, it's basically the bandwidth between your PCI-E card and the mobo. Don't bother yourself with questions, go to Wikipedia and type "PCI-Express" and do some read-up yourself.
Asking this in the wrong forum, mate! People here are too busy arguing about Nvidia/Amd
I dont think you'll find x16/x16 x-fire/sli in anything other than a 1356/x58 i7 mobo. But x8/x8 is no slower so dont worry about it. Only a few % at extreme multiple monitor resolutions with ultra top-end hardware. Just make sure you dont get a mobo that can only do x4/x16 as the x4 is really too slow.
PCI-E 2.0 16x vs 8x, there's about 3% difference that can slightly increase with resolution but there are configurations where number of PCI-E lanes will matter. 1366 mobos aren't the only ones with 16x/16x lanes, there are some AMD and Intel mobos for most current sockets that do this with a help of Nvidia chipset. It's worth noting that PCI-E 1.1 or 1.0 will be twice as slow as PCI-E 2.0 thus making 8x/8x a no-no for both Crossfire and SLI.
PCI-E lanes have nothing to do with power output, it's basically the bandwidth between your PCI-E card and the mobo. Don't bother yourself with questions, go to Wikipedia and type "PCI-Express" and do some read-up yourself.
I know that you silly sausage
i meant power as in like... juice, the FPS... the goods, the output and end result of waxing all your hard earned cash....And why does x8 bandwidth mean its halfed because of pci1.0?
I read just 10 minutes ago the difference between pci-1.0 and pci2.1 is only like 10% at most... are the gurus wrong too oh wise one? I get that x8 means a card is only CAPABLE of dishing out that much juice, but whats to say they are processing / sending that much data anyway??