Personally I can't see why anyone ever bought a 720p only set. There must have literally only been a couple of months time period where ONLY 720p sets existed over 1080p ones. In fact, I'm not sure they ever existed without 1080p being purchasable as well. It would have been a poor inestment when they were cutting edge - you could have waited a few months for more to be released - let alone now in 2010. There is a difference and the future will always be 1080p as a standard. 720p was just a cheaper way of fleecing the market out of more money trying to do the minimum possible to produce a modern day set people might buy, and we as consumers should have boycotted this and only accepted 1080p. All imo of course.
720p a waste of time?
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If you don't sit very close to you TV and it's not very big there is no appreciable differnece bettween 1080p and 720p you are simply wrong and if you do sit close to you TV there is an appreciable improvment when watching standard def TV on a 720p set which is going to be with us for a very long time yet. 1080p beyond games and Blu-ray is still a way off the bandwidth for live broadcast just isn't available.
I propose that it is actually those obsessed with 1080p who are being fleeced by the market as in a lot of cases they are paying for a product that they will actually see no benefit from compared to a cheaper 720p set.
But hey thats just my opinion backed up by loads of experts and lots of research.
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+1, same tv too
, nothing wrong with 720p, and as said, could make SD TV look better than it would on a 1080p set.
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ive got the panny tx-p37c10b plasma .. .. before this i had a crt tv and a 24 inch dell monitor that did 1080p .. used to play my hd-dvd through it ... i will jave to admit it was brilian .. you could see the weave in neo's clothes in matrix ... but that was like 3 feet away .. my mate was even shocked how good the pic was .... but it was ****e for gaming and way to close to sit to.
so went top my panny ..... this was june 2009 ... 1080p sets were out .... but i weighed up the pros and cons .... apart from blu ray / hd-dvd there was no tv i watch that was over 720 p ( hd-ready) and as my gaming was fairly light ( with soem xbox 360 ) i want 720p panny plasma ........seeing as freeview for sd is way better on plasma than 1080p its a no brainer .. as i watch way more sd than hd
so went top my panny ..... this was june 2009 ... 1080p sets were out .... but i weighed up the pros and cons .... apart from blu ray / hd-dvd there was no tv i watch that was over 720 p ( hd-ready) and as my gaming was fairly light ( with soem xbox 360 ) i want 720p panny plasma ........seeing as freeview for sd is way better on plasma than 1080p its a no brainer .. as i watch way more sd than hd
No there weren't. 1080p sets were expensive for a long while. My 720p set was £800 when I bought it, 1080p sets were a lot more than that. In fact when my mate bought his Pioneer plasma that was 720p and that was rather expensive.
You appear not to appreciate or understand the way technology evolves and makes it's way into the market.
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I've had about seven Panasonic plasmas, currently have a V10. My father has a cheap and cheerful X10 which is 720p
You know what, there's not much in it
Get which ever offers the best value for money
You know what, there's not much in it
Get which ever offers the best value for money
I struggle to see why anyone buys 1080p unless they have a massive set/are using it with PC/are sitting insanely close to it. There are a lot of other factors I'd look at before the resolution when buying a TV. Give me a 720p Panny over a 1080p LG any day.
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As long as it doesn't look stupidly big, get the 42", if you don't you will be wanting a bigger one very soon.
Also 1080p? Yes. 720p will be phased out (surely?) and 1080 will be supported more widely. It will also look crisper. If you are spending out that sort of money, why settle for second best?
(you can leave all the fluid motion crap at the door though if you ever think about samsung... makes movies look horrible and unrealistic with its inserted frames).
Also 1080p? Yes. 720p will be phased out (surely?) and 1080 will be supported more widely. It will also look crisper. If you are spending out that sort of money, why settle for second best?
(you can leave all the fluid motion crap at the door though if you ever think about samsung... makes movies look horrible and unrealistic with its inserted frames).
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I bought a 1080 50" LG quite simply because I preferred the picture over the Panasonic, and I preferred the higher resolution of the 1080p set with HD material over 720p, standard def was no better or worse in my opinion.
My only regret is not getting a 60".
My home projector is 720p, and I found 1080p at 5m wide was clearly superior, we updated our "cinema away from home" from 720p to 1080p due to this.
My only regret is not getting a 60".
My home projector is 720p, and I found 1080p at 5m wide was clearly superior, we updated our "cinema away from home" from 720p to 1080p due to this.
If I had a 60" TV in my living room I'd have to sit out in the street, one day I maybe rich enough to afford a house with a MASSIVE living room or a dedicated home cinema but until then I will live with my 37" TV safe in the knowledge that it doesn't look ridiculous in my living room.
From what you say 720p will suit you
Consoles manage 720, Broadcasts are only in 720, you will be saving £200
I would consider spending the money you are saving on sound, after all half a movie is sound.
Yeah 1080p will look nice, but if you're watching a blu ray with crappy sound its half the experience imo.
Consoles manage 720, Broadcasts are only in 720, you will be saving £200
I would consider spending the money you are saving on sound, after all half a movie is sound.
Yeah 1080p will look nice, but if you're watching a blu ray with crappy sound its half the experience imo.
Which is exactly what we did, picked up one of these Panasonic SC-BT230EB at the same time. It's not the worlds greatest home cinema but it is relatively cheap nice to look at and integrates brilliantly with the TV. The only complaint I've seen in reviews is about the lack of absolute power in the sub, in my experience this hasn't been the case it is powerfull enough in a room our size to make the film imersive and enjoyable without being so loud it annoys the neighbours or rattles the windows!
Soldato
I agree.
If you wait for tech the whole time you won't be happy. I bought a 32" 720p/1080i screen for around the £800 mark (minus pricecheck) and it's served me extremely well. 1080p screens were super expensive and I didn't have the money for it.
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Even if you have 20/20 vision, by the time your 2.5 meters from a 42inch TV the difference in apparent resolution between 720p and 1080p is pretty much zero. Infact I believe its generally considered that at 2.5 meters you need a 60inch TV to start to "notice" the extra resolution.
Of course if you look at the pixels from 5cm away, you might notice the difference.
I sit 12feet from my 42inch, and apart from wishing I had a bigger TV, I have yet to be disappointed with my 1024x768 plasma screen. My parents have the same TV, but they sit around 16feet from the TV, and to be honest at that distance you can bearly tell the difference between SD DVD and HD Bluray. The 42inch screen size coupled with the large viewing distance wipes out all the detail. (But it still looks great to be fair)
This is exactly true.. At 2.5m you are not going to know the difference between 720p and 1080p.. Besides it sounds like the ONLY material you have that'll make use of 1080p is your BD player.. Go for a Panasonic 720p if that's your budget. You can't go wrong.
So many people talk crap.. Apparantly on their 32" 'they need' 1080p
Just to add.. I had two Panasonic plasma's 42" at 720P... Absolutely fine... Now gone with 50"s neoPDP's and went upto 1080P Anything 42" and under, anything over 720p is a complete waste of money.
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It's not crap, it depends on your eyesight. You can't generalise in this stuff. At a similar viewing distance it's easy to see the difference between a 720p set and 1080p set for me when it's 37". You need to try for yourself, I can't tell when I'm drunk or half asleep
Panny 720p sets are great though! You can *easily* tell the difference between SD and HD content at 2.5m on a 37" 720p set.
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It's not crap, it depends on your eyesight. You can't generalise in this stuff. At a similar viewing distance it's easy to see the difference between a 720p set and 1080p set for me when it's 37". You need to try for yourself, I can't tell when I'm drunk or half asleep
Panny 720p sets are great though! You can *easily* tell the difference between SD and HD content at 2.5m on a 37" 720p set.
Yes to the difference between SD and HD.. Absolutely
But a 1080p signal being sent to a 720p TV is downscaled to 720p, (and its still HD) and if you reckon you can tell the difference on a 37" then i wish I could put you to the test on that.. Unfortunately that's obviously never gonna happen. One things for sure, you'd be scratching your chin.
...that's not what you said. You said no-one can tell the difference between 1080p and 720p. Not 720p and downscaled 1080p.
I'd also add that I'm not saying for all content either.
I'd also happily put it to the test too
For some stuff I've been able to tell but, well eyesight deteriorates with age just like hearing.
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This sounds remarkably like the 320kbps mp3 vs wav argument, and I am glad I don't have perfect hearing/vision as a result.
Anyhoo, I rate stuff like black levels, ghosting, etc more important than resolution.
Anyhoo, I rate stuff like black levels, ghosting, etc more important than resolution.
What the hell is the point of a 22" 1080P TV? If one is to use it as a TV/monitor, fair enough. As a TV, in a bedroom, that's just laughable. I love how they are marketed as 'full true HD'. Maybe they can include some binoculars with them, so people can notice that it is indeed 1080P from 8 feet away.
I think that just becomes economics. It ends up being cheaper to make. But yeah like you're going to tell the difference unless you're 2ft away