75 years and 75 miles in

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This is my first week of driving an ancient car every day and I thought I'd share the experience. It's not quite 75 years old but I have done 75 trouble free miles this week. For anyone who doesn't know it's a 1954 Ford Pop, basically designed some time during WW2 and it's got beam axles front and rear, cross-springs and cable brakes. The engine is a 30hp flathead-4 going through a 3 speed gearbox with very basic syncromesh which may as well not be there. Lever arm shocks all round and tall 450-17 crossplies which measure out at 125/95/17 in today's size. Originally it was 6-volts with a dynamo on positive earth but I've converted it over to a 12V alternator on neggy earth to make starting etc a bit easier.

This is what it looks like, I don't have any more recent photos but it looks the same except for shiner wheels, some indicators and the new number on the front. Oh and an MOT:

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My drive to work is through Biggin Hill and Westerham down towards Sundridge which is mainly twisty lanes and average speed is about 40-45 mph up to about 55mph tops in a modern daily. I've been pleased to say that I can keep up with no problems. The top speed of my car is 61 but I normally wouldn't get up there so there is no need for me to have a faster car. There is a horrible hill up from Westerham to Biggin Hill and that is the only place the car stuggles. Speed drops down to about 25mph and speed is limited by the huge jump between 2nd and 3rd gear. In 2nd the engine is screaming in agony but 3rd is just too far away and tha change takes too long. I think we've all been there when another gear would have come in handy.

Round the bends the body roll is quite astonishing and cars on the other side of the road literally move right over their side when they see me coming round a bend. Having said that it sticks to the road quite well considering the tyres are so skinny and I haven't managed to squeal them yet. The steering itself is heavy and vague and I'd forgotten what it was like with a steering box. Coupled with the fact that it's cross-steering, there's a bit of play in the kingpins, then mid-bend the tall tyres catch up with the car it tends to wander about a bit but it's great fun and once I've put the new kingpins on it should sharpen things up.

The brakes. Everyone should drive a car with cable brakes at least once in their life - it's character building. I'm not going to beat around the bush here they are frankly rubbish. No, they are non-existant. Let me describe what happens when you press the brake pedal: Initially nothing happens because there is no power assist and it's drums all round so you press a bit harder. Then the legwork makes its way through a series of linkages that equalise front to back, left to right on both axles and then equalise between the two shoes in each drum. It is a truly ingenious system designed by rollup smoking greyhaired engineers in white coats and I've spent ages under the car pulling cables watching the system work. Finally the car starts to slow but the experience isn't over yet. Unfortunately the cables work best when the wheels are straight and the kingpins are in perfect condition. In reality what happens is the cables pull the kingpin over a bit because it's worn and the car steers a little. One compensates but then you pull the cable a bit when you steer the wheels so it heads the other way and you snake to a halt. In an emergency it's all a bit more intense and exaggerated and involves a gear change to knock off a few extra mph. You wouldn't want to rely on them.

The engine is very basic and has no water pump and no oil filter. It's not like a modern engine because the valves are actually in the block next to the bores, looks a bit like this from above valves on one side, bores next to them...

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...and the combustion chamber, an oval shape, covers both the valves and the bore in a solid metal head. With no water pump the engine cools itself with an enormous tall radiator. The water boils in the block and syphons up to the top of the radiator where it is cooled by the big fan on the front of the alternator pulley. By today's standards the engine runs extremely hot and it needs topping up with water regularly as it boils it off. Naturally it leaks a lot of oil as well but hey, it stops the car rusting!!! Fuel consumption seems to be pretty good but I haven't worked out mpg yet as I haven't got through enough fuel.

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Interior confort is by way of 3/4 of a tatty interior. Smells like it looks but it's dead comfy and the seats offer negative support and spill you out during a bend. There's no radio but the heater works well. So I hope that gives you all some insight into what it's like in the world of a truly shonky car owner :D
 
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Jonny69 You are my hero :cool:
Class motor and an excellent post, well done for keeping some history on the road.
 
DuffMan said:
w44t, 75 miles in that. Classic car by the sounds of it but i have to say.....unlucky.

Unlucky?







Nope, don't see it myself. I'm with T_D_S on this, feeling something quite similar to jealousy over here :)
 
Jonny69 said:
Brakes... In an emergency it's all a bit more intense and exaggerated and involves a gear change to knock off a few extra mph. You wouldn't want to rely on them.

Its posts/comments/literature like this that make me REALLY REALLY wish that cars like this were kept off the road. They just have no place on modern roads as standard. Modify the safety features and sure, keep it running, but as it stands its a danger to yourself and others.

It is a very pretty car though, would love to see one in perfect condition.

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/awaits flaming.
 
Good post, I enjoyed reading that :)

Oldest cars I've owned have been a '71 MG Midget and a '67 Mini. Both of which are relatively modern compared to yours, but even so I could related to one or two points (brakes in particular!)
 
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I glanced down and saw this out of the corner of my eye as I was reading about the brakes and thought "what an appropriate response" :D

Sounds like a complete adventure to drive. Next time im in the Westerham area Ill keep an eye out for you :)
 
Sounds like great fun, and so much Character. Fairplay to you, it's a lovely looking old thing.

But......

Not normally one to preach, I do feel concerned about the brakes though. I loved your description, they sound hilarious, but also downright dangerous.

Brakes........they are non-existant...........In an emergency it's all a bit more intense and exaggerated and involves a gear change to knock off a few extra mph. You wouldn't want to rely on them.

How on earth did it get through an MOT with 'non exisitant' brakes? I wouldn't want to be on the same piece of road as you, and I really hope you aren't driving that car through built up areas.........
 
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You guys are fine as long as you don't pull out right in front of me. Don't forget I KEEP MY DISTANCE for a reason :p

DreXeL said:
How on earth did it get through an MOT with 'non exisitant' brakes? I wouldn't want to be on the same piece of road as you, and I really hope you aren't driving that car through built up areas.........
They work fine in the 30 limits. It's all new and replaced, just not crossdrilledzor discs with 6 pot calipers.
 
paradigm said:
/awaits flaming.

/burns paradigm :p

Nothing like keeping history on the road, without modifying it. So long as he knows how the car works and performs that's what matters, as he can compensate for it etc.

Having said that my brother's Spitfire 1500 has been given some upgrades...road/race cam, SS exhaust system, and many more parts that I'm unsure of...I think he uprated the brakes...but I don't know.

My mum had a Pop (or something similar) as her first car she was telling me the other day, and she was saying how you had to double D clutch to change gear, else you'd never change :cool:

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Jonny69 said:
They work fine in the 30 limits. It's all new and replaced, just not crossdrilledzor discs with 6 pot calipers.

Fair do's, it just sounded like they are worse than wooden brake blocks ;)
 
Exactly, its about driving to the conditions, including the car.

Cars are much safer now, but I cant help thinking that driving has got worse because of it. Stick a big metal spike facing out from the steering wheel and watch accident rates plummet, as people suddenly realise the consequences of having an accident. :D
 
Quality motor

I have the pleasure of driving a 1948 Daimler DB18/Charlesworth Drophead Coupe on occasion (I can dig out pics if anyone wants). This has cable brakes too (sound like they're slightly better than the experience you have) and a great lump of a straight 6 up front. 2.5 L with very small pistons and a very long throw running through one small SU carb. It also has a semi-automatic gearbox, you select a gear on a pillar-select and, when you want to engage, press a pedal on the floor that selects the gear.

I don't use this as a daily driver though, it'd be insane! I do Envy you though, I much prefer older cars to modern ones, you're a hero :cool:
 
taske said:
It also has a semi-automatic gearbox, you select a gear on a pillar-select and, when you want to engage, press a pedal on the floor that selects the gear.

Wilson pre-selector 'box. Developed for use in tanks :) They were fairly common on Dailmer, Armstrong Siddeley and Alvis cars. A few racing cars have also used them.
 
There is a garage about 14 miles from me that only sell classics and some american, i may have to pop in for a chat. Do like old cars, not for every day though, just for the odd summer drive. May take the camera with me.

I passed a car just like that yesterday but it had been 'hot rodded', bluish-green flames over the front half.
 
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