7970 vs 680 thread.

[ALXAndy]

+1

It's moronic posts like that that caused this thread.

As for giving it a rest?

Coupe - why don't you give it a bloody rest.

If you don't like the thread then go post in one you do. God, if ever there was such a thing as a forum troll they're coming out in force tonight !

If like old Greggypoos above you want to stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalala" go and do it elsewhere and stop bloody moaning.

 

[ALXAndy]

Apparantly according to Andy, everysingle review is a lie. Anand are liars, toms are liars, bit tech are liars, tech power up are liars, hardware canuks are liars, hexus are liars, because everyone of them have firmly concluded with solid testing that the GTX680 is currently the fastest card you can get.

According to you since the GTX 680 was launched overclocking is no longer important. Because, what you believe in goes.

So that means that all reviews of the 680 should be against a 7970 that isn't overclocked because that doesn't matter to you any more because you have become a hypocrite overnight.

You see, there are reviews out there that have compared the cards equally and fairly.

Yet, you just don't want to hear it. You accuse me of not reading the reviews when actually, mate, I have read all of them.

Even the completely fair and unbiased ones where they declare neither card a clear winner, as they are both equal at equal clocks.

And unlike you I won't allow myself to become a hypocrite and rant and rave about how unfair reviews are wonderful.

If any one is trying to justify their purchases around here it's the people who went out and bought the 680.

They want to sit in a corner and beam with pride and come on the forum bragging about how amazing and wonderful their cards are, re-reading over the reviews of them.

So I'm sorry that you don't like this thread. And I'm sorry that you seem incapable of reading a review that puts the cards up to each other fairly, but there's not a lot I can do about it.

Now do us all a favour and grow up. If you don't like this thread and the opinions and reviews posted in it, don't read it. I haven't gone around trolling the 680 line up threads have I?

No. At least I remain you know? not a hypocrite.

They shouldn't be reading these threads, they should be busy playing games on their new purchase!

Where is the fun in that? they want to come on here and gleefully boast and brag about how wonderful their cards are and how much better they are than other people's.

And they just don't want to hear, nor care about what others have to say, because they all want to gather in a circle and group hug !

 

[ALXAndy]

I had admiration for the guys who bought a 7970 and would never try to anger them by slagging off their purchases even before they have had it a day.

For some reason ALXAndy has made it a mission to try and destroy the 680 and any review site that has the 680 beating the 7970 is wrong and biased and nvidiots and what ever else he can berate them with but you get a site that puts the 7970 ahead and this is a legit review....

I feel all of us who have treated ourselves with our money to a 680 can enjoy hassle free gaming for along while.

I wont resort to flaming or trolling but instead enjoy reading what others have to say. I feel chuffed to bits playing BF3 in all it's glory with really smooth frame rates.

You are flaming and you are trolling.

OK? Me and Cat was having a bloody good convo earlier and discussing some very interesting things, then you turned up.

You haven't read the thread, and you haven't looked at the reviews of the card that put it up fairly and squarely against the 7970. One of them was clock for clock, completely ruining the "but not all 7970s clock the same !" argument.

You come in here telling me I am showing myself up when it's YOU who is doing that. You are incapable of seeing hearing nor accepting the truth.

So before you come in here thinking you can belittle me have a good look at yourself. Because I promise you when the euphoria dies down you're going to look really, really silly.

Lol at the over clocking bull crap again. That is all.

Comparing a stock to stock card is completely fair. TBH the GTX680 doesn't over clock itself to cheat, it simply runs in an under clocked mode and ramps up to its full speed if needed, a wonderful powersaving feature.

So LOL at all the overclocking crap? You know what, I might even put that quote in my sig. Just to remind you of it every day for the rest of your life.

 

[ALXAndy]

The only flaming troll I see here is called ALXAndy.

Really? well hilariously it's my name under the thread. I posted it.

It's a bit hard to troll yourself mate, so go and have a look in the mirror.

 

[ALXAndy]

Here go, I will let you all into a little secret.

I got banned from Overclock3d for slagging off the 7970.

Little did they know I had one slotted into my PCIE slot.

Mind you, I think the chart I posted upset a few 7970 owners.

Ho hum can't win em all.

 

[ALXAndy]

I've been following these threads for a while and the GTX680 is very nice but I have no need for it.

But the worst thing is even though he is denying it, ALXAndy is acting a bit over protective the AMD 7970. I don't see the point? It is a graphics card...

If that's what you think then you really don't know me very well at all.

AMD is an anagram of something you become, if a 680 is better.

So now when reason and truth fail you move onto the ditties. Please leave this thread, honestly I cringe for you.

You're really embarrassing yourself.

 

[ALXAndy]

You can write whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the GTX680 is the faster card

 

[ALXAndy]

This post is better then?

This thread is comedy purely because of the BS flying around it....How can this thread or any of them be taken serious, when after so many Reviews clearly state the 680 is faster, certain individuals refuse to believe it?

I will grow up when honesty hits this thread.

INDY CLOSE YOUR EYES. CLOSE YOUR EYES INDY OR BE MELTED TO DUST ! DON'T LOOK AT THE GRAIL INDY.

 

[ALXAndy]

www.overclock3d.net

But then you read the thread and saw it about ten pages ago didn't you?

Oh.. Snap !

I reiterate. Read the thread PROPERLY. There are four just like that.

 

[ALXAndy]

Probably not much, but it's not like Apple are the only ones guilty of this, and the ipads are always quite nicely priced compared to other tablets, its only the lack of upgradable space that puts me off getting one.

Some people make a lot of money, and want the very best for what they play, if the 680 is noticeably better in that game(s) then they will get one.

I wouldn't a i have never bought the top card, and never will, but not up to me to tell other people what to spend their money on.

What review sites are you claiming are lying about the 680 performance, they all looked pretty legit to me, tbh those charts above that you just posted actually look very fishy.

I've not said they were lying. Just that they were unfairly comparing cards.

The 680 overclocks itself, overclocking is a part of the enthusiast PC market. Infact, it's critical now. No one buys stuff that doesn't overclock.

Thus, many reviewers realised what the 680 was doing from the off and thus put the cards up overclocked to compare them. The result? dead even. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. 680 is quieter, 7970 has more vram.

As for the rest? corporation tactics mate. Note how many Modern Snorefare / COD games have been milked using that nasty old engine. Yet people still wait outside shops dressed as marines lmao.

 

[ALXAndy]

Thanks for the cringe but also this is a public forum which I believe so long as I dont break rules I am welcome to use?

I honestly feel the 680 is the better card after reading review after review. You can see this for yourself surely?

Then you feel the 680 is a better card because you own one. Because the fact is that in the real world on planet earth they are dead even.

I'm not trying to force you to accept it Greg, because it's just a fact. So I suggest if you don't want to accept it nor like it please don't read this thread any more.

Can't see what the OC for the other cards is either....does the site list this?

As much as they can. Tom had the 680 to 1250 and of all the other reviews I have read I have not seen any one else get it that high. 1200 on another one.

As for the rest? as I say, read the thread. There is even one that does the testing clock for clock. And, clock for clock they are dead level.

 

[ALXAndy]

The GTX 680 us clearly the best card right now, even according to the review you posted its the performance per watt king.

According to every other review, its the definite performance king too. I still want one, plus it does physx and 3D vision.

So you cherry pick one part of the review and then declare the 680 the winner !

Nice one, why didn't I think of that?

Do you know what's hilarious? Not once have I said the 7970 is better. And I could, because in over 70% of those tests it beat the 680 by a couple of frames.

But no. I am not making such claims, as they would be stupid and untruthful.

As for Physx? go and do some reading on Havok. If you are going to come here and try and tell me things please, make sure you are armed with the facts. Years ago AMD and Intel became interested in Havok and were going to invest tons of money into it. It's basically dead similar to Physx.

However, they both soon realised that it was a waste of money and time, as it would not adopt into the mainstream. Nvidia, however, have carried on throwing money at it in the hope it will give them the edge.

It hasn't. Infact, I've seen Havok used in more games than I have Physx. All of the Fallout and ES games use it, so does Just Cause and JC 2, and so on.

So honestly, I suggest you really stop the straw clutching. Nowhere have I gone on and on about how the 7970 is better, just that there is far more to this than the couple of reviews you read before blowing £400.

I'm not even saying the 680 is bad. It's bloody fantastic ! a really good card from Nvidia. However, what I don't want to hear is that it is better than the 7970 because the fact is it clearly isn't.

That is the part I will take issue with. Infact, so wrong do I find those biased reviews that I am now rather upset at seeing people selling their 7970s for a huge loss to replace them with a card that is pretty much exactly the same.

 

[ALXAndy]

Maybe those charts ALXAndy posted are in increments of 0.1/0.2/0.3 etc etc

Without numbers, how do we know and seriously, that chart looks dodgy.

Oh dear oh lord Greg when is it going to sink in mate?

As I said. PLEASE go back and start reading the thread from the beginning. It wasn't just Tom, it was three other sites. One of them ran the cards clock for clock. IE - at exactly the same speed, just so there could be no doubt or any "but what if a 7970 doesn't hit 1200mhz?"

Then read on, and you will find some very very interesting in depth information about tessellation being around since 2008, and fully running in DX10. However, Nvidia and AMD did not want us to know about it then as it wasn't being used as a selling point for new video cards.

One day you will understand the sort of person I am. I am not here to upset any one, far from it. I am here to stop any one getting screwed.

Fact of the matter is the best card to have right now is not the 680, nor the 7970. It's the 7950 by a mile. £80 cheaper than either offering, just as fast when you overclock it.

 

[ALXAndy]

How is it an unfair comparison?

If you mean benching it with the Auto OC on, then i don't know how many did, or didn't, but they should leave it on as the card is going to do that when you use it.
If they disable the AutoOC then they are lying to the consumer as the card will look slower than what its like in reality, it would be like capping vram usage to 2GB so the 7970 didn't have an advantage.

I think most did disable it though, as if they didn't there wouldn't be such a big difference between the stock scores and the OC ones.

Don't assume everyone overclocks, many people don't, they just want to play games with the least amount of stress as possible, a guy over a Guru3D has already said this sounds like a feature for him as he worries about overclocking.

Those Overclock3D score reeks of crap, 8xAA in Metro2033 and BF3 since when was that an option, and overclocked 7950 beating an overclocked 7970, and i've just glanced at it.

I've never seen Tom lie. Ever.

As for not assuming every one overclocks? The 680 overclocks. Any one who buys one does so based on what they can get for free on top of what they paid.

It's an accepted way of life now. Lock down a product and stop that happening and you simply won't sell any.

I find it terribly hypocritical that people have deemed overclocking irrelevant overnight.

It's been a very important part of the enthusiast PC world since it was introduced many years ago. Infact, I bought my Athlon XP because I knew I could overclock it easily just by using the multiplier. That was part and parcel of why that chip was so incredible.

 

[ALXAndy]

Both cards offer very very similar performance. The 680 has some cool new featurea, but overall they are both much of a muchness (both at stock and overclicked). Just buy whichever brand you prefer.

Indeed. This will be the conclusion that is eventually reached because it's the right one.

I'm not even saying go and buy a 7970. TBH? if I had the cash right now I would probably opt for the 680. If I was able to use sense I would opt for the 7950.

So it's not like I'm even saying don't buy the 680. All I am saying is, please, don't sell your 7950 or 7970 to buy one because the truth is there's bugger all in it.

 

[ALXAndy]

In fairness, if I had a 580, I would have skipped this generation and waited for the GK110 but as my card was slack in newer games, I upgraded to what I needed.

The guys who are selling the 7970's must have a reason? Maybe they just prefer Nvidia IDK but don't let it make you sad.

You know I have a 3D vision 2 monitor, so I am tied to Nvidia if I wish to carry on 3D gaming (which I do). This was the reason I didn't buy a 7970. I still feel it is a fantastic card but on all the sites I have seen over the last 24+ hours with benches have shown that the 680 is better.

Regardless of 7970 or 680, both are great mid range cards at a high price.

Greg. If they liked Nvidia that much they would have waited for Kepler, just like you mate.

It really is as simple as that. If I thought for one minute that I would regret buying my 7970 and sell it at a huge loss just to go to team green I wouldn't have bought it.

But, sadly that isn't why they are selling them and buying 680s. They are doing so because they have been unfairly misled into thinking they really are better, and not just by a little bit either.

And that is disgusting. Bad reviewing IMO. Well, it isn't reviewing as CAT and I covered, it's salesmanship.

Tell me Greg. Do you honestly think the 680 is worth £430? Truly?

Because when the 7970 came out and kicked the 580s ass (and it did, clearly) Bit tech said "We just don't think it is worth the asking price" or words to that effect. It was scored lower because of the price.

Yet today? they are saying that £400 is a lot of money, but by jove it's worth it !

Give it a few days mate and honestly, you will understand what I am saying. When the honeymoon period is over and you decide to take a good look at all of the reviews you will understand.

 

[ALXAndy]

No one apart from you it seems



Somewhat contradictory I'm sure you'll all agree.

No it isn't. It isn't because once again you have not read the bloody thread have you? You've jumped in in the last page or so missing out on everything we discussed today.

I bought a 7970 because even overclocked the 7950 wasn't as fast as when you overclock the 7970. I've had my 7970 at 1125 just to make sure, then hit reset in AB.

When I bought my I7 950 for £230 I did so because it could hit 4ghz. I've had it at 4ghz just to make sure, then I put it back.

One day when the time comes I know I can get that last drop out of both items. I bought the I7 950 solely because I knew it could hit 4ghz easy, unlike the 920 and 930 that were not absolutely guaranteed to hit 4ghz.

So I bought both products based on what they could do when they overclock. Why? because that is what reviews do with the bloody things ! test them, overclock them, and then test them again !

Edit. That's also why I paid over £60 for a Noctua NH-D14.

 

[ALXAndy]

Lol and the hypocrite of the year award goes to....

Keep on digging man.

 

[ALXAndy]

LOL, overclock much Andy?

No. Not unless I need to, but I want to know it's there when I do.

Any other questions? or are you trolling?

 

[ALXAndy]

Well now you have as that review is a mess, whether it's typos or lies not for me to say, but i wouldn't trust much of it with all those mistakes.

Going to take a closer look at it now.

No one has deemed it irrelevant, i certainly don't, but it still scares a lot of people, and if someone can do it for them for extra money they will spend it, if this wasn't true then the board partners wouldn't keep making factory overclocked cards.

Watch the video. It's kind of long winded, but it pretty much sums things up nicely. And even if you don't like that one there are at least two others that are pretty much exactly the same.

They were both posted earlier, at least twice.