9700K or 3700X

[Journey]

Ermm... what graphics card are you using?

Rather than waste cash this time round, go cheap and cheerful IMO. Ryzen 5 3600, B450 MSI Mortar, and 16GB 3000MHz RAM = ~£330, less than an Intel 9700 on it's own and you won't be able to tell the difference 97.564% of the time ( I made up the percentage), even if you are using a 2080 Ti, which seems highly unlikely if you are 1080p.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Yep I'm doing the same for my gaming/photography PC, though I have also ordered a 3900X for my other PC (video) so it will be interesting to do the comparisons.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...MD-Ryzen-3rd-Gen-CPUs-for-Video-Editing-1522/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Puget-Systems-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-Benchmark-1519/

Ermm... what graphics card are you using?

Rather than waste cash this time round, go cheap and cheerful IMO. Ryzen 5 3600, B450 MSI Mortar, and 16GB 3000MHz RAM = ~£330, less than an Intel 9700 on it's own and you won't be able to tell the difference 97.564% of the time ( I made up the percentage), even if you are using a 2080 Ti, which seems highly unlikely if you are 1080p.

980ti , OP planning on moving 2070 super . Likes hitting max refresh rate of 144hz . Hasn't stated if 1080p or 1440p but yeah using 2080ti you get 20 FPS difference min frame rate at 1080p , 15 at 1440p . Hence why posted up Gamers nexus video as well as B450 option at the start

Don't get me wrong I love my 8600k@5Ghz it flies but if I was building fresh *now* with a view to it lasting me 5+ years I'd go 3700X, no brainer in my eyes.

Id just sit and wait zen4 and DDR 5 . Moving from 2700 to 3600x personally as I had a naff CPU and mostly indie games where dual core high speed is key for myself

 

[MartinPrince]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...MD-Ryzen-3rd-Gen-CPUs-for-Video-Editing-1522/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Puget-Systems-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-Benchmark-1519/

Thanks for posting those, what was your point/thoughts regarding them in relation to what I said?

 

[Journey]

980ti , OP planning on moving 2070 super . Likes hitting max refresh rate of 144hz . Hasn't stated if 1080p or 1440p but yeah using 2080ti you get 20 FPS difference min frame rate at 1080p , 15 at 1440p . Hence why posted up Gamers nexus video as well as B450 option at the start

So zero difference in frame rates with any CPU really, since that 2070 Super isn't going to really be struggling with any CPU from those mentioned.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

So zero difference in frame rates with any CPU really, since that 2070 Super isn't going to really be struggling with any CPU from those mentioned.

You also have to think future wise with GPUs as well .
Upgrade a CPU once a decade, some people a GPU every other Gen which is 4 years . Next 'mid range ' card should be hitting 2070 super levels .

Specially now everyone seems to be julpi g on the ray tracing bandwagon for next year including consoles :/

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Thanks for posting those, what was your point/thoughts regarding them in relation to what I said?

Be interesting , intel might be best for gaming but waiting till they have a 3700x to test .. it could be the best all rounder to be honest .

 

[Uaon]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...MD-Ryzen-3rd-Gen-CPUs-for-Video-Editing-1522/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Puget-Systems-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-Benchmark-1519/



980ti , OP planning on moving 2070 super . Likes hitting max refresh rate of 144hz . Hasn't stated if 1080p or 1440p but yeah using 2080ti you get 20 FPS difference min frame rate at 1080p , 15 at 1440p . Hence why posted up Gamers nexus video as well as B450 option at the start



Id just sit and wait zen4 and DDR 5 . Moving from 2700 to 3600x personally as I had a naff CPU and mostly indie games where dual core high speed is key for myself

I play @ 1440p 144hz monitor

 

[R3dNano]

Happy to see I'm not the only one on the same boat!!!
I created an account just to join this thread:

I mainly game on my PC, I don't do blender, or video encoding or even stream.
I play on a 2k 144hz display and there's a 2070s on its way.
That video from gamers nexus was an eye opener.
Even though AMD did a pretty good job, the 9700k seems to be still on top for gaming right now.
About the cost, I found a bargain in which I got a 9700k at the same price as a 3700x and I do already have a cooler on my 4770k that I can use on my new 9700k so, for me it's the same cost.
Factoring all this, and seeing how the 9700k performs better on gaming, I run out of reasons to get the AMD one.

The main point here would be future proofing, but I highly doubt down the road, after a couple of years, if you compare a 9700k vs a 3700x the results would be any different, to be honest.

So, yeah, an average of 10-15 fps gain is for me a justification to get the well tested 9700k instead of the new 3700x

 

[Journey]

I play on a 2k 144hz display and there's a 2070s on its way.

So, yeah, an average of 10-15 fps gain is for me a justification to get the well tested 9700k instead of the new 3700x

I don't think you are going to get that 10-15 FPS gain at 1440P with a 2070S, regardless of the CPU being used as you need to be using an RTX 2080 Ti to see those gains, maybe in a couple of years when you get a card as fast, or faster than the 2080 Ti then the CPU will come into its own but for now there will be little to no difference.

 

[R3dNano]

I don't think you are going to get that 10-15 FPS gain at 1440P with a 2070S, regardless of the CPU being used as you need to be using an RTX 2080 Ti to see those gains, maybe in a couple of years when you get a card as fast, or faster than the 2080 Ti then the CPU will come into its own but for now there will be little to no difference.

So in this case, the 3700x would be better in terms of future proofing, right? I don't plan on changing the CPU for the next 4 or 5 years.

 

[nathan_s]

But from the gamersnexus vidoe linked above, it seems Ryzen 3700x doesn't make much sense in terms of value for money. ATM it almost costs the same as 9700k.

 

[Uaon]

I have researched this extensively and if you keep in mind, the Gamer nexus benchmarks are using a highly overclocked 9700k @5.1 and stock 3700x The separation isn't massive and I'm starting to think with the future in mind that the 3700x will be the way to go as it will support next years zen cpu's.

 

[MartinPrince]

I don't think you are going to get that 10-15 FPS gain at 1440P with a 2070S, regardless of the CPU being used as you need to be using an RTX 2080 Ti to see those gains, maybe in a couple of years when you get a card as fast, or faster than the 2080 Ti then the CPU will come into its own but for now there will be little to no difference.

Precisely. Plus you can never really talk in '10-15fps' you have to talk in perentages as 10-15fps difference when you get 40fps is a big difference compared to when you are getttings 200 fps.

 

[Journey]

So in this case, the 3700x would be better in terms of future proofing, right? I don't plan on changing the CPU for the next 4 or 5 years.

Yes, and no. I think the socket will be better, not necessarily the CPU itself as an R5 3600 at half the cost would last 2-3 years, and then you could easily drop in a faster CPU due to that socket potential, if comparing with the same GPU you have just purchased. A great deal of people did that late in the life of 1155, going from a 2500K to a 2600K for the extra threads as they became needed.

Changing a CPU is the same level of difficulty/effort as a graphics card as well, not to mention the fact after 24 months you'd need to be swapping out the thermal paste to keep the temps down.

 

[R3dNano]

Yes, and no. I think the socket will be better, not necessarily the CPU itself as an R5 3600 at half the cost would last 2-3 years, and then you could easily drop in a faster CPU due to that socket potential, if comparing with the same GPU you have just purchased. A great deal of people did that late in the life of 1155, going from a 2500K to a 2600K for the extra threads as they became needed.

Changing a CPU is the same level of difficulty/effort as a graphics card as well, not to mention the fact after 24 months you'd need to be swapping out the thermal paste to keep the temps down.

So, if. I'm going to be CPU bound, I'll rather get the 3700x and in the future, I can drop in a better CPU once it's bottlenecked.
I got a tomahawk motherboard.... Would it be ok for any processor higher than the 3700x?

 

[Journey]

So, if. I'm going to be CPU bound, I'll rather get the 3700x and in the future, I can drop in a better CPU once it's bottlenecked.
I got a tomahawk motherboard.... Would it be ok for any processor higher than the 3700x?

You mean GPU bound? Also, yes you can then put in another CPU, but going for the 3700X now makes that a odd choice, since it isn't currently much faster (in most games) than the R5 3600, but costs 70% more (~£130), that £130 could be put towards the CPU upgrade when needed, lets say 2021 a whole year after the Ryzen 4xxx have been released and prices have dropped down, the likelihood is that you'll get a 8c/16t CPU for <£150, or a much more efficient and faster 12c/24t for <£300. Effectively you could be spending £20 more than you would now and have a spare CPU to sell.

If you have a Tomahawk it is fine for 8c CPU, and works fine with a 12c too, but I wouldn't be putting in a 16c part, unless the power consumption comes down a lot with 7nm+ EUV.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

So in this case, the 3700x would be better in terms of future proofing, right? I don't plan on changing the CPU for the next 4 or 5 years.

Define Future proof. As in terms of if an 8 core intel or Ryzen will last 5 years or you can switch to a new CPU that will cope ?

Answer would Be Yes. Both will last and the second part is a grey grey .
Intel and AMD have a new socket next 1-2 years . Ryzen doe shave 16 cores now and maybe 20 next year but a Ryzen and Intel in 5 years time will be on a different level .
In 2.5 years we've gone from 4 core intel to 10 , after having 4 cores for last 12 years ...

 

[R3dNano]

Define Future proof. As in terms of if an 8 core intel or Ryzen will last 5 years or you can switch to a new CPU that will cope ?

Answer would Be Yes. Both will last and the second part is a grey grey .
Intel and AMD have a new socket next 1-2 years . Ryzen doe shave 16 cores now and maybe 20 next year but a Ryzen and Intel in 5 years time will be on a different level .
In 2.5 years we've gone from 4 core intel to 10 , after having 4 cores for last 12 years ...

The only definition of future proof I'd use here is in the case games start using more cores/threads: That's the only scenario where I'd see going for the intel solution now would be a bad future investment.

If in 4 years my cpu starts getting bottlenecked, I'd go for an entire renewal altogether: In 4 years ddr5 will be mainstream and am4/1151 cpu sockets will be obsolete: The gamble here is to guess which CPU will age better here: Now, the intel CPU has the lead, but, can the AMD improve with bios/OS patches?
Are games limited to 2-4 cores forever? Some people are speculating, due to the new upcoming consoles having multiple cores, that the future games will take more advantage of those extra cores in the near future, but I think that makes little sense.

Regardless, I think either way, the difference between each will be nil right now and in the foreseeable future: I just want to make the right choice here

 

[orbitalwalsh]

PC market... 90% are 1-2 cores.. Steam search on indie section and you'll find hundreds of game releases to a handful AA/AAA titles that can use more then 4 cores at an average rate .

Current consoles still multi core... Everyone forgets that, just not ryzen based - what the issue is .. porting. It's all half rate ! Why pay more if you can get it to work at same rate as consoles . Then factor in steam hardware survey ... i3 and i5 still rule the roost by a huge margin and 720/1080p to boot .

I'd be happy with either 3700x or 9700k personally. If I was esporting or uni days would be Intel and trying to crack out 5.2 on a delis 9700k etc for gaming rig, then 3950x for rendering rig (animation rendering was slow in 2005 :/ )

Seems both are going with more cores, intel keeping up with speed space and Zen tweaking designs better between each gen unlike intel .
From rumoured leaks/benches of Intel's 4 core 10nm design.. spanks their higher core counterparts even at lower speed . CPUs will now to racing a neck speeds.. thing is, none really care about consumer right now .. x570 only has PCIe 4.0 because it's perfect for server markets ! You'll get DDR5 early too because it will benefit server market more and a by product over intel for consumer . OEM and server markets dwarf singular parts market .
True fact, board vendors etc hardly ANY intel engineering chips . They go to OEM and even OCUK receive more CPUs are testing then Vendors at request since they actually sell them, vendors don't directly .

 

[R3dNano]

I have researched this extensively and if you keep in mind, the Gamer nexus benchmarks are using a highly overclocked 9700k @5.1 and stock 3700x The separation isn't massive and I'm starting to think with the future in mind that the 3700x will be the way to go as it will support next years zen cpu's.

The video features comparisons against both OC'd 9700k and stock 9700k CPUs, where, the only conclussion I extract is that OCing the 9700k only gives you 5 to 7 extra fps... the differences in bechmarks between the 3700x and the non oc'd 9700k is still considerable.

EDIT: I'm going for the 9700k finally. Thanks guys