The problem I had was I really liked the car. Decent power (150 - small light car), good fewtures / spec, frugal etc but just so so unreliable. 4 timing chains in 6 years is just the tip of the iceberg which was my ownership experience.
A car manufacturer you will never buy?
- Thread starter Tee Hee Johnson
- Start date
I Just paid Trust ford last week to replace a failed gearbox bearings in my mother 2011 mk2 Ford KA that done 26,000miles....
Its was going to be $4800 for a new transmission in the Rogue. so i just got rid of it.
[QUOTE="Well, hopefully it doesn’t fail as it would be a rather expensive fix![/QUOTE]
Look it up, it affects the rogues, maxima's, titans lots of different models. Should be recall but since its happened to my mates brand new rogue, nissan dont seem to be bothered fixing it.
Look it up, it affects the rogues, maxima's, titans lots of different models. Should be recall but since its happened to my mates brand new rogue, nissan dont seem to be bothered fixing it.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 13 May 2003
- Posts
- 34,518
- Location
- Warwickshire
Ford
Anything French
Anything French
Never is a long time so I wouldn't rule any manufacturer out as who knows what bargains there might be out there in the future. However after the EA189 'fix' fiasco I'd prefer not VAG (which is sadly a lot of marques, and if I was buying a new car today I might want to look at the Kodiaq).
Times change, takeovers happen, processes improve.... I remember when I was at school, Skoda were literally a laughing stock bundled in with Lada, but in the recent years they have made very adequate cars in the Superb and Octavia.
Times change, takeovers happen, processes improve.... I remember when I was at school, Skoda were literally a laughing stock bundled in with Lada, but in the recent years they have made very adequate cars in the Superb and Octavia.
in general, but there are certain exceptions of course, like the Megane RS, Uno Turbo, etc
Audi. Just expensive Vauxhalls.
Seat and VW. Overrated, too expensive, for early twenty year olds to (think they) look cool.
Peugeot. Crap, no exceptions.
Renault. Middle aged mothers.
Fiat.....yeah.
Audi. Just expensive Vauxhalls.
Seat and VW. Overrated, too expensive, for early twenty year olds to (think they) look cool.
Peugeot. Crap, no exceptions.
Renault. Middle aged mothers.
Fiat.....yeah.
If it has to be one manufacturer than it would be Vauxhall. Not because I hate the brand, (I can't stand VAG as example), I do like their styling, but to me they have nothing going for them. Terrible build quality and non existent engineering. The reason why you see a lot of them is because they sell to fleet in the bucket-loads at bargain basement prices, same in private sales.
I can't see myself ever buying a car outside of Japan, even though I do like lots of non Japanese cars.
I can't see myself ever buying a car outside of Japan, even though I do like lots of non Japanese cars.
Soldato
- Joined
- 11 Sep 2013
- Posts
- 12,492
Well I wouldn't go that far... but a decent dashboard (or binnacle, as they seem to be, these days) does help you enjoy the car!
No point driving something high performance if you can't stand to look at it.
Soldato
- Joined
- 11 Aug 2012
- Posts
- 4,544
- Location
- S.E Wales
As much as i'm not a fan of Vauxhall, I wouldn't say I wouldn't buy one, we had a hire car, top spec astra diesel with the highest bhp output they had for a 67 plate, it drove really nice.
My sister has a 16plate Insignia diesel with the highest bhp output, and that drives really nice.
Doubt many of us would say no to a VXR8 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201807148444284?radius=1500&postcode=de655bh&model=VXR8&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&make=VAUXHALL&sort=price-desc&page=1
My sister has a 16plate Insignia diesel with the highest bhp output, and that drives really nice.
Doubt many of us would say no to a VXR8 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201807148444284?radius=1500&postcode=de655bh&model=VXR8&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&make=VAUXHALL&sort=price-desc&page=1
The VXR8 wasn't made by Vauxhall. Nor was the VX220.
The Astra VXR was and it was horrible. I don't know what the current model is like though. But it never seems to appear in a "top 10" list for hot hatches.
Last edited:
It's interesting that people hate French cars the most but the most hated manufacturer isn't French*. Opel/Vauxhall are German and British brands which makes it even more interesting given much the German auto industry is often lauded as being the best in the world. I guess 70 years of GM ownership is going to take its toll, I can't see it getting much better under PSA ownership.
There are lots of them on the roads because they are:
A) Cheap
B) Styled to attract non-enthusiasts. (aka they look 'pretty')
C) Have reasonable reliability (the most unreliable cars tend to be premium brands rather than cheap ones)
There are lots of them on the roads because they are:
A) Cheap
B) Styled to attract non-enthusiasts. (aka they look 'pretty')
C) Have reasonable reliability (the most unreliable cars tend to be premium brands rather than cheap ones)
Last edited:
More French manufacturers suck than British ones.
Vauxhall really sucks...like...REALLY.
It's also funny that people still believe in German engineering and quality and many still hold Mercedes-Benz and BMW (and VW to a certain extent) as wonders of engineering and reliability when they're anything but.
The 2018 JD Power reliability survey has a Peugeot in top spot for Best small car, a Skoda for best small family car (when the Octavia is anything but small), a Vauxhall as best large family car, a VW as best family SUV, a VW in Czech drag as best small SUV and a Mercedes as best large/luxury car. Many of the makes and countries derided here as poor score highly in the survey.
One thing from the survey though, Japanese and Korean cars rate very highly across all categories and BMW rate poorly across most sectors. This is also shown by BMW being the poorest out of all manufacturers in last place. Yet some on here wouldn't ever consider buying anything else and won't have a bad word said against them.
The 2018 JD Power reliability survey has a Peugeot in top spot for Best small car, a Skoda for best small family car (when the Octavia is anything but small), a Vauxhall as best large family car, a VW as best family SUV, a VW in Czech drag as best small SUV and a Mercedes as best large/luxury car. Many of the makes and countries derided here as poor score highly in the survey.
One thing from the survey though, Japanese and Korean cars rate very highly across all categories and BMW rate poorly across most sectors. This is also shown by BMW being the poorest out of all manufacturers in last place. Yet some on here wouldn't ever consider buying anything else and won't have a bad word said against them.
Honda, Lexus/Toyota and Subaru have hogged the top spots for reliability for about 25 years or more now.
Some people moan about Japanese cars being expensive for what they are. But the money goes in to the engineering. With German cars it goes in to nice leather and stitching
Some people moan about Japanese cars being expensive for what they are. But the money goes in to the engineering. With German cars it goes in to nice leather and stitching
Yeah but F10 530d
You just made my point!
I've never been big into Jap cars having only owned an Evo and now a posh Toyota (Lexus), but im getting increasingly more impressed. If the reliability is as good as they say, all the Jap manufactures need to do now is crack german-look dashboards and ze Germans will be in trouble
I used to like Vauxhall back in the day but I'd never buy another. On top of all their issues they just don't handle well imo. I don't ever want a French car again either, but I think I would over a Vauxhall.
I don't see another German car purchase on the immediate horizon, I think the next will likely be an RCF or maybe a GTR.
I used to like Vauxhall back in the day but I'd never buy another. On top of all their issues they just don't handle well imo. I don't ever want a French car again either, but I think I would over a Vauxhall.
I don't see another German car purchase on the immediate horizon, I think the next will likely be an RCF or maybe a GTR.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 13 May 2003
- Posts
- 34,518
- Location
- Warwickshire
I think it's more that all cars are going to break sometimes, so one may as well enjoy the feeling of a premium car until it does break. The OP posed an open question that didn't specify reliability or engineering prowess as a factor.
Not saying you're wrong regards German engineering, just that some people acknowledge it might be a myth but enjoy the perceived quality anyway.
French perceived quality and dealer service are both appalling, even if some survey says they don't break down as much as people think.
