Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Faustus, Oct 10, 2018.
Take that back or I'll take you to court.
See how far you get if you ask them to post it to you in parcel reading "ALL DPD SUCK ****".
Tbf, most people aren't religious bigots. Esp when it comes to money.
Let them eat baguette - as Marie Antoinette didn't say.
it's simple, the baker isn't the one getting married so it's a mute point. It's nothing to do with free speech, it's just bigotry, plain and simple, something very common in Northern Ireland particularly when it comes to so-called Christians.
Well atleast it would be factual given my experience with many of their drivers, but that wasn't what was asked for on the cake, it was nothing of the sort in fact.
You don't need to be religious to turn down work you don't want to do.
Have you never heard of people turning down work because it's against their principles.
If it's your name on your work and you care enough about such things then the money doesn't matter.
All you need is to have some kind of limit and the capacity to stand up for it.
So here we are at a ruling that it's not illegal for a baker to refuse to write slogans in icing if he's unhappy with the message because it's tacky/contradicting religious conviction/other.
Just as long as he equally refuses it to everyone and not just gays which would be illegal.
And whats wrong with that?
I dont care for anyone rubbing their sexuality in my face, regardless of orientation.
No. But when you do because you are, you need to expect people to think you’re a religious nut job.
I’m all for free speech. It gives people rope.
My local DPD driver is solid. But that wasn’t really my point.
Or black people...
Yes of course people can turn down work. But as you point out, it's not legal to refuse someone a service on the basis of their age, gender, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation etc.
Of course in many cases it is rather hard to prove the precise reason someone is refusing a service unless they out and out say it, plus it's possible to hide behind refusing the detail of the work rather than the customer themselves (even if in reality these are often one and the same thing). Hence the court case is in a grey area which has seen judgements in both directions.
The shop would have been better to just have a 'no slogans' policy, then it's same for everyone. The problem comes when you start to cherry pick which slogans you do and don't object to.
You against free speach?
That would be illegal regardless of being straight or gay.
You're tunnel visioning into the gay activist vs the christian baker case as if the only reason you can think of is religion.
I'll demonstrate something else where nothing illegal is going on but people are regularly challenged as to where they draw the line and say no to the work.
What you do. What you are used for. How much you value your modesty.
Designers, artists, musicians.
We want to commission work which will promote things that you are against.
All quite worthless principles really. All in the mind. Maybe an image thing going on. Just take the money and do the work yeah.
Or... you can have the conviction to refuse requests that clash with what you want to be known for.
No religion needed.
I was always under the view that freedom of expression is fine as long as it doesn't impact on someone else's freedom of expression.
Decision seems logical to me.
Yeah sure capitalism will ensure that the LGBT community never shops there again.....but I am sure the bakers were aware of that
Huge sum of money wasted for some bloke who got uppity because he was refused the slogan "support same sex marriage" on a cake.
You’re right. But the reason why the bakers wouldn’t put the message on the cake is because they’re religious nutjobs. And that’s fine. They’re allowed to be. That’s free speech.
We made a similar product at work not long ago. We had no such qualms. Probably because as a company and as individuals we don't believe in the eternal fires of damnation or whatever. It's fine to see the ruling of this case as a good thing, without seeing the actions of either party as good or wise.
Also, I don't see the actions of the bakers as particularly Christian. It's hardly forgiveness and loving your neighbour is it? I don't remember anything in the teachings of Jesus about being principled about icing on cakes.
Simiallry, a huge waste of money because some blokes got all uppity and didn't want to bake a cake for a paying customer.
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