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my socket a system is nearly up and runnin, again!
what i want to know is what agp card will not be drastically bottlenecked by my athlon xp2600 barton, this cpu will be clocked as high as poss.
i just dont wanna spend money on a card that i will not see full benefit of!
i cant imagine ever getting anoyther agp sys as my main so i wont need anything top of the line but i want the best card for the system!
1 gig corsair value.
a8v deluxe.
audigy 2

thanks for any input! :)
 
anyone?? i was thinkin of a 7600gt or something similar, i had an old 6800gt and i thought that looked good. would that be a good card for this system??
 
agp is dead, dont bother buying a faster card because they will be

1. bottlenecked by your cpu
2. very expensive compared to pci-e equivalents
3. out of date very soon with dx10 on its way

just save up and in a years time you should be able to buy a very fast system for cheap with the way prices are going down
 
i am in the process of moving from my opty to a conroe based system.
i just want a card for my second system, the 5200 in it is far to outdated, even my 7 year old son is moaning about it and he is the one who uses it mostly!
i will get dx10 as soon as it comes out i would have thought, but what i want now is the best card in proportion with what i have in my socket a setup.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
agp is dead, dont bother buying a faster card because they will be

1. bottlenecked by your cpu
2. very expensive compared to pci-e equivalents
3. out of date very soon with dx10 on its way

just save up and in a years time you should be able to buy a very fast system for cheap with the way prices are going down
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Yeah, waste another thousand dollars on a new computer , :p ,
LOL and upgrade again like these dumb ass people with PCI E as DX10 will make obsolete even PCI E cards.
The only surviving cards will be the high end like 7900 series and XT1900.
Now being more positive, a 7800GS will be fine, the only reason to upgrade is when vista come out and new 3D software too.
Also AGP supports the same performance than PCI X.
My card overcloked(500/700mhz "{0293 device}7900"straped to HSI) made 51.1 GB/s and 15043Gpix/s on texture fillrate on AGP X8, does not envy anything to PCI E cards.
 
AGP would give the same performance as PCI-E for the same cards.

Which don't exist.

The AGP cards that are still around are hugely over-priced compared with PCI-E cards. If the OP didn't have SocketA, it would be better for them to buy a PCI-E motherboard and graphics card than to buy a high-end AGP card.

The 7800GS (AGP) is quite a bit worse than the 7800GT (PCI-E), which is quite a bit worse than the 7900GT (which is very nearly the same as a 7800 GTX). The 7800GS is about the same price as a 7900GT.

Buying a high-end AGP card is not a good way to spend money. I agree with the advice of looking for a second-hand 6800GT or GS. That would be a good match for an aging Socket A system with an AthlonXP 2600 in it and it would be a reasonable expenditure for a second PC. It will be a huge increase over a 5200 card (man, those were crap) and thus serve the required purpose. Spending >£200 on a graphics card that's bad value for money and going in a PC that will bottleneck somewhere else anyway and which is mostly used by a 7 year old is a bit much unless £200 is peanuts to you (and it still wouldn't be an efficient way to spend money even then).

By the way, PCI-X is a completely different standard to PCI Express.
 
my advice would be to wait a month then get a asrock dualstat2 board like mine for 40 quid and a X2-3800 for 100 quid. your ddr can be used on the asrock board and then all you need is the gfx card. 7300gt would be good bet at 60 quid.

conroe is another option but its gonna be more expensive. the way above you get to use your ddr ram from socket A on the s939 platform. so its all good.

thats the cheapest way to do an upgrade keeping in mind vista is out next year so this new system you build will easily tide you on till the second generation of dx10 cards are around.

what do you guys think?
 
i have a s939 system but i am selling that so i can move my games pc over to conroe, i am after a card for that, a high end one, i still think socket a is good enough for my second system so i just want a cheap agp card for that, i can always move it on to someone else as i put together quite a lot of systems for people. ;)

next month i have a 754 asrock board and athlon 3000 coming in part ex so at that point i would probably get rid of the socket a, however, that is also agp... so agp, although nearly at the end of its life, would probably would still be the best bet for me!
 
Psycho Sonny said:
agp is dead, dont bother buying a faster card because they will be

1. bottlenecked by your cpu
2. very expensive compared to pci-e equivalents
3. out of date very soon with dx10 on its way

just save up and in a years time you should be able to buy a very fast system for cheap with the way prices are going down
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you have never played with a dothan then have you
AGP isnt dead its just a new standard that is being forced apon us,
 
KarlMcWade said:
AGP isnt dead its just a new standard that is being forced apon us,
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i agree. agp still had life left in it. its bandwidth has not been saturated yet. but agp port can;t provide as much power as pci-e port, but external molex connection usually sorts that out.
 
What makes AGP "dead" isn't any shortcoming in the standard itself. AGP 3.0 even allowed for two AGP slots, though that was never implemented. Having said that, I think the bandwidth would have been shared between the two cards and that wouldn't have been enough. The bandwidth from the card to the motherboard was very low, but that still doesn't matter yet. The far greater bandwidth of PCI-E from the graphics card to the motherboard does raise interesting new possibilities, things that were impossible with AGP, such as using the GPU for physics processing or video editing.

What makes AGP "dead" is that there aren't any AGP cards at the top end any more, with the possible exception of the 7800GS just about making it, and AGP cards comparable with the midrange of PCI-E cards are much more expensive. The gap will only grow, as new models won't come out on AGP. It's doubtful if AGP cards will be made at all in 6 months time.

AGP was retired early, but PCI-E does have advantages over it.
 
i just wish they would hurry up and kill of pci as its long out lived its lifespan

if they implemted pci-e right then it should replace all the pci agp slots.

Only graphic cards and high end scsi cards seam to use the pci-e slots thus far. I would like to see more pci-e cards on the market like xifi card for example dual digital tuners and PPU's ect things that would best suit the added bandwith pci-e supplys
 
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