Air cooling a 5800X3d

[Zarax]

Hello,
what is a good air cooler for a Ryzen 5800X3d?

Am I going to need one of the big ones (DH15, Dark Rock Pro 4) or can I use something a little more compact without loosing performance?

Thanks!

 

[Zarax]

What about a Deepcool Assassin III?

 

[Zarax]

My use case is mostly gaming with the occasional machine learning workload.
I'm seeing conflicting reports, with some saying you don't need a big cooler for the TDP while others saying it will eat up all cooling you can give.

 

[Zarax]

Ok, let me rephrase it a bit:
Does an high end cooler help in terms of sustained clocks for the X3D or is the main benefit just a quiet cooler?

 

[Zarax]

It looks like -30 seems pretty common to reach...