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Alder Lake-S leaks

Discussion in 'CPUs' started by Grim5, 19 Jan 2021.

  1. Grim5

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 6 Feb 2019

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    For me in 2022:

    ddr5 ram (32gb or 64gb)
    Gen 5 ssd
    New mobo (probably an asus z690 maximus)
    New cpu (probably the i9 12900k)
    Rtx4080/4090
     
  2. pcuser

    Gangster

    Joined: 28 Jul 2021

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    Location: London

    New leak - Alder Lake expected on November 19.
     
  3. Joxeon

    Sgarrista

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    Location: Uk

    Considering people were paying £3000 for an RTX3090 a couple of months back which is 15% faster than a £649 3080FE I don't think people are too worried about costs being higher especially those this will be aimed at.
     
  4. jigger

    Capodecina

    Joined: 28 May 2007

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    That is largely due to mining. Which was largely due to China.
     
    Last edited: 4 Sep 2021
  5. Wrinkly

    Mobster

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    Location: Scotland

    If I understand it correctly, PCIe 5 gives double the bandwidth of 4, which again is double the bandwidth of 3. That would mean that we need less lanes per device? Two lanes for a gen 4 NVMe for example, while GPUs will be running well with 4 or 8 lanes. With 16 PCIe 5 lanes under Alderlake you can have your GPU and 4 NVMe drives all running at top speeds?

    I'm torn between Alderlake on socket 1700, which should also support Raptorlake and AMD's 3D stacked 5950x on EOL AM4.
     
  6. pcuser

    Gangster

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    Rumours are for PCI-E 4.0 link to chipset so I doubt that there will be more than 2 PCI-E 4.0 drives.
     
  7. Destination

    Capodecina

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    Certainly will, as it seems they have dropped thunderbolt from the chip. So it'll have to be mobo
     
  8. pcuser

    Gangster

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    Location: London

    So that wil eat a lot of bandwidth to chipset. To me that is not good news.
     
  9. random_matt

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 30 Jul 2012

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    May even just get their first mobo if it turns out good.
     
  10. jigger

    Capodecina

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    Intel could offer a motherboard, CPU and graphics card option.

    A program with a multi buy discount or mail in rebate option would probably be well received. Maybe even offer an SSD.

    It would certainly take the sting out of the DIY console market, and marketing such a program would probably take minimal effort. All the YouTube tech reviewers could add so many twists on that type of program. Push an “Intel really cares about gamers” type of rhetoric.
     
    Last edited: 4 Sep 2021
  11. Grim5

    Sgarrista

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    Intel used to make their own motherboards, dunno why they stopped - and they were cheaper than AIB boards
     
  12. 4K8KW10

    Capodecina

    Joined: 2 Sep 2017

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    Intel?!

    Core i9-9900K 2018:
    [​IMG]

    Core i9-10900K 2020:
    [​IMG]

    Core i9-11900K 2021:
    [​IMG]

    :cry:
     
  13. pcuser

    Gangster

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    12900k is expected to be 24 threads so prepare for the price tag.
     
  14. Grim5

    Sgarrista

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    The price will be based on performance relative to AMD. Remember, Intel used to charge $2000 for 32 threads, until AMD launched the 3950x then Intel dropped the price in half.
     
  15. pcuser

    Gangster

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    You have a point there but in this case Intel is bringing a new platform with all the novelties and AMD probably only a processor line and if rumours are correct about a month later. The way I feel it at the moment hype seems to be working for Intel even if AMD keeps the productivity crown.
     
    Last edited: 5 Sep 2021
  16. jigger

    Capodecina

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    If Intel add a little secret sauce when using an Intel CPU with a Intel graphics card they could be onto a small but ripe market for easy profits.
     
  17. pcuser

    Gangster

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    Location: London

    Anti - monopoly regulator may sanction them if they do that.
     
  18. KompuKare

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 31 Dec 2010

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    Location: Sussex

    Since that process would take years if not decades, Intel may be willing to risk it. Wasn't the new CEO deeply involved with their previous monopolistic stuff?

    The last time they settled out of court. Certainly with AMD and possibly with Nvidia. This means the monopolies process would have to start again from scratch. (Versus for instance Microsoft and browsers. So that if Microsoft get too aggressive with Edge - like shipping a version of Windows where they've "accidentally" left out the ability to change browser - they'd get far quicker fine for breaching their previous settlement.l
     
  19. THX1138

    Gangster

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    You can just see it now intel are in the Graphic card business help give the intel setups a FPS boost.
     
  20. 4K8KW10

    Capodecina

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    Err, 11900K is 6.7% faster than 10900K, offering 2-cores/4-threads less, coming a full year later, and costing a whopping 19.5% more.
    PassMark - Intel Core i9-10900K @ 3.70GHz - Price performance comparison (cpubenchmark.net)
    PassMark - Intel Core i9-11900K @ 3.50GHz - Price performance comparison (cpubenchmark.net)

    Something in Intel is desperately broken.
    Its business ethics and knowledge of the market situation and the customers' preferences is extremely poor.