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alliance between Islamist type of politics and the left.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by LabR@t, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. StriderX

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    Literally no, if you're going to use an americanised (DUMB) infographic about political positions at least attempt to be correct about economic/social axis. SAD
     
  2. Em3bbs

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    Literally no? As opposed to non literally no?
     
  3. Terminal_Boy

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    Not afraid to destabilise the entire Middle East either.
     
  4. Johno please?

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    What war crimes did he commit? Its a rhetorical question actually, none, the answer is zero. You might want to look up the definition of a war criminal, this is a bad meme spread by people who know nothing.
     
  5. Diddums

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    Well he did write the word "sad" in both caps and a huge font so he must really mean business.
     
  6. Usher

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    How about lying or grossly exaggerating so called intelligence in order to get his own way and launch an attack that resulted in hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians deaths? ?
    There is enough info re him lying, misguiding and ignoring other members of parliament, of initiating a catastrophic war by dishonest means. He claimed that the intelligence showing that Iraq had deployed weapons of mass destruction was 'extensive' which was an outright lie. Estimates of up to one million soldiers and civilians met their death as a direct result of that war in Iraq
     
  7. Roar87

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    To be fair, the vast majority of deaths in Iraq were civilian deaths directly caused by Iraqi insurgents and foreign fighters travelling from countries close by, the 2003 invasion of Iraq was over fairly quickly and successfully. You might argue that the post war planning was bad, I would say that keeping Saddam in power wasn't an option; he was *actually* a war criminal and needed removing regardless of any weapons of mass destruction, and I'm not sure what post war planning could've been done to prevent a load of foreign fighters coming over and mixing with local insurgents who were intent on killing a load of innocent people and soldiers who were there to keep the peace and try to rebuild the country.
     
  8. Terminal_Boy

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    To answer the OP’s original question, communism regimes of the past and Islam have a great deal in common:

    - Political ideologues
    - Powerful ruling elite
    - Extremely authoritarian
    - Strong secret/religious police presence
    - Any dissenters “cleansed” rapidly
    - Deep hatred for the Jews, often publicly expressed as “anti Zionist”, but we all know what they’re getting at
     
  9. elmarko

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    There are alliances across all spans on the political spectrum.

    Alliance of perceived victim-hood (extreme social-left) with Islam - blue haired keyboard warriors. These are allies due to a shared 'victim status'
    Alliance of power & wealth, weapons trades (economic-right) with Significant power bases of Islam - Saudi Arabia an authoritarian regime which beheads women.

    Labour has a leader which supports the people of Palestine, which as we all know makes you automatically a Jew hating Nazi. The side effect of this is, that people who also support Palestine in the population (notably many people with an Islamic background) - some of which really do hate Jews. Are more likely to fit into a party who is sympathetic to the people of Palestine.

    Ironically, on the right you get the extreme far right who vote for BNP/EDL when possible, or UKIP/Conservative when not (Due to being more likely to reduce immigration) who also tend to hate Jews also.

    Not really, many Jewish people are anti-Zionist so it's a bit of a stretch to imply that is akin to a deep hatred of Jews.
     
  10. Johno please?

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    Whether you agree with the intervention or not, this still doesnt make him a war criminal.

    Iraq not only had WMDs but had used them in the past, so what are you on about?

    Because the BBC didnt report on warehouses full of sarin gas that means he had none? You might want to look beyond the headlines.
     
  11. Johno please?

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    Exactly, People have no idea what its like to live even a day under someone like Saddam Hussein, me included.
     
  12. StriderX

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    Only to replace it with living under the very nice and very cool ISIS after many wonderful years of being bombed and having things like Fallujah happen. Sure it's peachy that the regime is dead, but it should have been honest from the beginning, if you want to remove someone from power, just ******* admit it, at least then it's not attempting to be something it isn't.

    The main problem with the Middle-East is always that there's atleast one major player funding **** we don't, whether it be Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran or even Israel and we can't justify warring any of them, so we're left with pitiful diplomatic solutions that clearly do naff all because we don't use it objectively/consistently. The fact is that the Western establishment doesn't want a stable Middle East.

    I wont be surprised if in the future Russia decides it to be imperative to plant strategic weapons in the likes of Syria.
     
  13. Johno please?

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    huh uh, but also no, its the islamofascists (so thats the Taliban and their supporters in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and their chums in al qaeda) that don't want a stable middle east as they're the ones currently destroying it.
     
  14. StriderX

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    But also yes, why would the West ever want a stable Islam? Literally every single time it happens it's been a disaster for Europe and Asia. At least that's probably the basic opinion of it when it comes to geopolitics, probably hasn't changed since the Ottomans collapsed.

    There are probably some who even view the Byzantine holdings as European and probably have a desire to return it to the fold.
     
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  15. stockhausen

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    "islamofascists"
    Says it all really.
    Reminds me of "Imperialist running dogs", straight out of the same loony bigots' lair.
     
  16. Nasher

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    Or make friends with dictators.
     
  17. Johno please?

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    umm, so they would stop blowing stuff up? Whats a stable Islam anyway? The ideology is terrible, hence the situation we're in.
     
  18. StriderX

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    One that the Saudi's are clearly trying to form, the Arab empires were horrific mass murderers.
     
  19. Pudney

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    Endless voting on the matter, particularly as the issue develops and knowledge expands, would be the democratic thing to do.

    It offends the principles of certainty and finality, but that's completely different to anti-democratic.
     
  20. LabR@t

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    You cannot endlessly vote, nothing gets done that way.