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Nothing right now is taking advantage of PCIe 5.0 so the B650 Tomahawk WiFi looks like another solid option and at £199... why pay more for less on another brand. Eyeing this to pair with a 7800X3D.
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AM5 7800X3D Mobo dilemma, why do they all suck/overpriced!?
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Nothing right now is taking advantage of PCIe 5.0 so the B650 Tomahawk WiFi looks like another solid option and at £199... why pay more for less on another brand. Eyeing this to pair with a 7800X3D.
It depends how long you plan on keeping it, my last board(x370) was my main PC for over 5 years. I only upgraded because I wanted better PCIe (more lanes and faster), I don’t want to be in the same situation 2-3 years from now. For me the B650E-E was the best option, it has more than I need for now so should last. Also, I would not be surprised if GPU's started to use 8x gen 5 connections, 8x would probably still be fine on a gen 4 boards but not ideal.
I found this video extremely satisfying to watch. Hopefully we get lots of reviewers either boycotting Asus, or reviewing their boards again but with EXPO off. It is just not ok to release a product that out of the box might burn CPUs, then release a bios to prevent this but which voids your warranty if you use it. And this with a range of motherboards that are expensive AF. How can they justify the price hikes over the last few years if we don't get better products and support? Where's the money going, if not to the engineering and validation teams?
Utterly deserved bollocking.
Shame though, I had settled on buying an Asus board and now I'll have to kick it out of my basket because no, I don't fancy paying this much money for a product with a known flaw that the manufacturer will not take responsibility for.
Probably fall back on an MSI B650. It's good looking in silver, they've added my memory kit to its QVL in the last couple of weeks, and their bios update doesn't say it invalidates your warranty, so...
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ROG CROSSHAIR X670E HERO BIOS 1410
Version 1410 Beta Version
9.46 MB 2023/05/02
"1. Update AGESA version to Combo AM5 PI 1.0.0.7.
2. Support 48/24GB high-density DDR5 memory module.
3. SoC voltage for Ryzen 7000 series limited to a maximum of 1.30V to protect the CPU and motherboard.
Before running the USB BIOS Flashback tool, please rename the BIOS file (CX670EH.CAP) using BIOSRenamer.
Please note that this is a beta BIOS version of the motherboard which is still undergoing final testing before its official release. The UEFI, its firmware and all content found on it are provided on an “as is” and “as available” basis. ASUS does not give any warranties, whether express or limited, as to the suitability, compatibility, or usability of the UEFI, its firmware or any of its content. Except as provided in the Product warranty and to the maximum extent permitted by law, ASUS is not responsible for direct, special, incidental or consequential damages resulting from using this beta BIOS."
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Very scummy thing to say about a £659 mobo (not even the most expensive one)!:
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ROG CROSSHAIR X670E HERO BIOS 1410
Version 1410 Beta Version
9.46 MB 2023/05/02
"1. Update AGESA version to Combo AM5 PI 1.0.0.7.
2. Support 48/24GB high-density DDR5 memory module.
3. SoC voltage for Ryzen 7000 series limited to a maximum of 1.30V to protect the CPU and motherboard.
Before running the USB BIOS Flashback tool, please rename the BIOS file (CX670EH.CAP) using BIOSRenamer.
Please note that this is a beta BIOS version of the motherboard which is still undergoing final testing before its official release. The UEFI, its firmware and all content found on it are provided on an “as is” and “as available” basis. ASUS does not give any warranties, whether express or limited, as to the suitability, compatibility, or usability of the UEFI, its firmware or any of its content. Except as provided in the Product warranty and to the maximum extent permitted by law, ASUS is not responsible for direct, special, incidental or consequential damages resulting from using this beta BIOS."
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Very scummy thing to say about a £659 mobo (not even the most expensive one)!:
Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Hero (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
Order Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Hero (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard now online and benefit from fast delivery.
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As someone living it... I would now not have bought my Asus B650E-E.
Had issues with it and pretty sure the WIFI controller is nackered (Mediatek). The AsRock Taichi looks good for same money and has Intel 6E.
Had issues with it and pretty sure the WIFI controller is nackered (Mediatek). The AsRock Taichi looks good for same money and has Intel 6E.
Although I’m not defending it, BETA BIOS have had that warranty statement for years. Probably decades.
But in this instance they should have really thought about it, but you just know that it’s probably copy and paste for the person uploading the files…
But in this instance they should have really thought about it, but you just know that it’s probably copy and paste for the person uploading the files…
Tbqh it might be for the gen after next gen.
From what I've read, even a top end card today only loses a few % at 8x on pci-e 4.0.
You might maybe want 5.0 if you have a habit of buying the absolute top tier cards, but if you're more of a 4060/4070 person, then the 50xx and even 60xx probably won't be significantly bottlenecked by your pci-e 4.0 x16.
It was this kind of thinking that's convinced me to go with a humble B650 and not shell out the dosh for features that legit may not be relevant in 5 years time. I was actually running my puny 3060 on pci-e 3.0 x8 for several months and did not notice
Is that the one with a single not-gpu expansion slot?
I mean, that setup is fine if you don't need more, but I am still in love with my Soundblaster Z, and would like at least 1 slot free after fitting it. I kind of wish more boards just had a bunch of pci-e x4 slots and it was up to us to add a riser card if we wanted to put an m.2 drive in there. The only dedicated m.2 slots should be the 2 behind the GPU. The rest could all be general purpose.
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More PCI slots are kind of irrelevant these days when your GPU takes up 4
I suspect it's a hangover from CV19 and the crypto craze. I think they all took their eye off the ball. As normality resumes I expect the competition and quality will return.
I agree. I hate the lack of choice with boards with decent number of pci-e slots or they are crippled - full length but pci-e 3 x 2???????????? why? And where has all the bifurcation slots gone to? Cant seem to find a board which allows x4/x4/x4/x4 in any slot except the first main slot but then that drops to x8 if you use any of the other slots.
To me the ideal board would be two pcie-5 m2 nvme slots on board and one pci-5 16x full speed slot with a pcie-4 x16 with full bifurcation and a pcie4 x4 full width slot as well.
That way if I want more nvme storage I can add a pci-4 card with 4 nvme onboard and not mess with my other slots.
What I want to see if a PCIE slot above the GPU as standard so you don't block air flow to the GPU if you use it.
I actually have a x1 slot above the GPU on my old Z370 Taichi; and next to it is the primary m.2 slot. Works well because I put my Soundblaster Z there. It's not a big card anyway, only covers about half of the back of the GPU and seems to cause no issues.
One of the reasons I went for the X79 V2 platform back in the day - personally I think Intel and the motherboard manufacturers are taking the mick and sadly there is no way to take them to task for it.
Well, despite how much we all agree the price/value sucks, and Asus sucks a little extra, I have just ordered an Asus X670E-A (same as the -F but silver and cheaper) to pair with a 7800X3D.
There just isn't anything else that offers all the things I want and isn't £500+. At least this one is £380 on offer.
...can't believe I've been indoctrinated to accept that this is a sensible price to pay for an upper-midrange board, but here we are. Obviously it should be £300 tops, probably £250, but until someone investigates the board makers for price fixing, there's nothing to be done about it. Fingers crossed it's happy with my 2x32 6000c30 memory which isn't actually on the QVL ¬_¬
There just isn't anything else that offers all the things I want and isn't £500+. At least this one is £380 on offer.
...can't believe I've been indoctrinated to accept that this is a sensible price to pay for an upper-midrange board, but here we are. Obviously it should be £300 tops, probably £250, but until someone investigates the board makers for price fixing, there's nothing to be done about it. Fingers crossed it's happy with my 2x32 6000c30 memory which isn't actually on the QVL ¬_¬
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a few things with mobos could be price is kept high as cpus for 2 or maybe 3 generations can be put there menaing no new mboard is needed in 2 to 3 years.
difficult to say if that is sustainable for a mobo manufacturer.
if not, the prices is likely to stay high.
I am happy with my asus b650 tuf gaming as pcie5 wasnt for me and I rather wait for next gen to jump on that ssd train.