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AMD 6800 & 6800 XT MBA LAUNCH AT 2PM TODAY - EXTREMELY LIMITED STOCK!

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I have a question for the more mature members here, this is absolutely critical wrt future performance and pc upgrades..........how do I get the 6800 thats arriving tomorrow (hopefully) past the wife? If she sees it, life in this house will change beyond measure and recognition and I'll probably spend the rest of the year in the naughty book!

Suggestions GRATEFULLY accepted!:)

Redirect to a neighbour in on the conspiracy using the delivery company app/website or ensure she's out on an errand during the delivery window. Then hide it until you have time to install it.

I'm so glad that I don't have to do this. My girlfriend accepts that once she sees me doing hardware research, something will arrive by post.
 
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Now now Gibbo, haven't you heard, it's too much demand, lack of supply has nothing to do with it :)

The truth is:

Supply is weak!
Demand is extremely high, bonkers high.

I can say I have never witness product launch sales like this ever, not even remotely close, but lets face it the manufacturers knew how demand was, they had notify buttons on their sites pre-launch, they also made the decision to set MSRP's extremely aggressive so what did they expect when offering products offering the performance of the previous generation at half the price, of course the sales were going to be sky high, then factor in a pandemic, so stay at home play is a factor and then factor the products are launching at busiest time of year. Anyone knew demand would be sky high and as these manufacturers employ intelligent people you would hope they also knew too, the question has to be asked why launch product with so little supply and why set such aggressive MSRP's that are near impossible to hit?
 
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This is absolutely spot on and very true as when the 3080 launched I have detailed discussions with some board partners like Zotac, Gigabyte and Palit who were paying additional transport cost to express air freight product to get it here quicker and they even openly said they were losing money on every single card due to these inflated shipping cost as they had nowhere near enough margin in the product at MSRP to cover even shipping cost. MSRP's just recently have being way to aggressive from manufacturers to put it simply and that is why the MSRP's are lasting in some cases for minutes or none existent.

I'm a transport manager at a medium - large transport company based in the North East.. we even deliver stock into Overclockers on occasion from some of our customers on the south coast.

The uk shipping situation for ISO / Connex boxes into the uk is currently in crisis.

PPE shipments are (rightly so) taking priority and increasing the standard volumes of goods to the uk massively. Factor in the period of 2-3 months when there was basically nothing leaving chinese ports, and the expectation of customers in the uk to still be able to buy their christmas supplies (which are manufactured and shipped months in advance) and you will find the uk logistics sector is at breaking point. Does everyone remember that the whole of the chinese manufacturing industry was shut down for months? what effect do you think this has had on lead times and pricing?

The logistics situation is so bad that a number of southern ports are so congested they do not physically have the space to offload some container vessels during port calls. There were 3 ships I am aware of last week that left the uk with uk destined containers still on board! they will be calling in European ports before returning to offload later this month.

As such manufacturers have had to use air transport in many cases here they would ordinarily use sea transport.. to get product to customers in time to meet launch date commitments this adds huge amounts of cost. First they were behind in manufacture lead times due to human malware, then the world's air traffic was and still is basically shut down. a huge amount of air freight normally hitches a ride under the feet of passengers on scheduled commercial flights - the specialist air freight companies who fly cargo only planes actually make up a small percentage of air cargo in normal years. So air freight has also gotten way more expensive and way harder to even procure.

Overclockers whilst being a leading uk supplier is in the grand scheme of businesses NOT a very large company. They simply can not have staff levels and associated business infrastructure to deal with massive short term demand on hand all year round.. be it website systems, warehouse systems and even dispatch / shipping staff. I would bet that when a large launch occurs every single person in the company does extra hours, works in departments that they usually don't and basically does everything they can to get product out to customers.

Factor in staff shortages again due to human malware isolation, slower processing times due to attempting to be as covid secure as possible, increase supply cost, and it is absolutely no wonder that the current "bleeding edge" products are being sold at higher than msrp prices.

Some people have mentioned that they have made large profits in a short period.. possibly so... but these launches are not actually that regular.. operating profit has to be spread over the year to eb able to pay the fixed costs of the business which are scaled as appropriately as possible to meet "normal" customer demand.

I am personally frustrated that I couldn't secure the product i wanted at launch. I promised my son a gaming system for Christmas that would be the best it could be.. that's on me- I hope to be able to make that happen at some point before Christmas but if not i'll pull the 5700XT out of my rig and he will use it for as long as required to be able to source something suitable for him. Do i blame overclockers.. of course not. They are in the business of reselling products to consumers.. they obviously want to sell us these items because its literally how they feed their families - the wrath i have seen on this forum in the last few days is misplaced... please please go and tell AMD how you feel- they are the only ones who can actually do anything about it!

Quite honestly it is a wonder any stock has arrived in the hands of customers at this point.

I'm blown away by the level of interaction on this forum by @Gibbo et al.. if any of you think they don't care about their customer base you are deluded.
 
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That doesn’t stop retailers from slapping an extra £50 on here and there. They will still sell many times over but for some reason they are either unwilling or being specifically told not too. Why would Sony or Microsoft specifically tell retailers not to inflate prices when it wouldn’t matter because they will still sell all they can make regardless.

Why are Sony and Microsoft doing things properly yet pc tech are struggling. Why aren’t nvidia and Amd telling retailers to stop profiteering it’s not doing anyone any good it’s just annoying people. I tell you if my nephew wasn’t looking to have his first pc I would have gone consoles no questions asked.

Most retailers for consoles currently sell them at a loss because they "make it up" on the games and accessories. Mum and Dad who bought little jimmy a console from the take away will also likely buy games, and accessories from there as well.
 
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I'm a transport manager at a medium - large transport company based in the North East.. we even deliver stock into Overclockers on occasion from some of our customers on the south coast.

The uk shipping situation for ISO / Connex boxes into the uk is currently in crisis.

PPE shipments are (rightly so) taking priority and increasing the standard volumes of goods to the uk massively. Factor in the period of 2-3 months when there was basically nothing leaving chinese ports, and the expectation of customers in the uk to still be able to buy their christmas supplies (which are manufactured and shipped months in advance) and you will find the uk logistics sector is at breaking point. Does everyone remember that the whole of the chinese manufacturing industry was shut down for months? what effect do you think this has had on lead times and pricing?

The logistics situation is so bad that a number of southern ports are so congested they do not physically have the space to offload some container vessels during port calls. There were 3 ships I am aware of last week that left the uk with uk destined containers still on board! they will be calling in European ports before returning to offload later this month.

As such manufacturers have had to use air transport in many cases here they would ordinarily use sea transport.. to get product to customers in time to meet launch date commitments this adds huge amounts of cost. First they were behind in manufacture lead times due to human malware, then the world's air traffic was and still is basically shut down. a huge amount of air freight normally hitches a ride under the feet of passengers on scheduled commercial flights - the specialist air freight companies who fly cargo only planes actually make up a small percentage of air cargo in normal years. So air freight has also gotten way more expensive and way harder to even procure.

Overclockers whilst being a leading uk supplier is in the grand scheme of businesses NOT a very large company. They simply can not have staff levels and associated business infrastructure to deal with massive short term demand on hand all year round.. be it website systems, warehouse systems and even dispatch / shipping staff. I would bet that when a large launch occurs every single person in the company does extra hours, works in departments that they usually don't and basically does everything they can to get product out to customers.

Factor in staff shortages again due to human malware isolation, slower processing times due to attempting to be as covid secure as possible, increase supply cost, and it is absolutely no wonder that the current "bleeding edge" products are being sold at higher than msrp prices.

Some people have mentioned that they have made large profits in a short period.. possibly so... but these launches are not actually that regular.. operating profit has to be spread over the year to eb able to pay the fixed costs of the business which are scaled as appropriately as possible to meet "normal" customer demand.

I am personally frustrated that I couldn't secure the product i wanted at launch. I promised my son a gaming system for Christmas that would be the best it could be.. that's on me- I hope to be able to make that happen at some point before Christmas but if not i'll pull the 5700XT out of my rig and he will use it for as long as required to be able to source something suitable for him. Do i blame overclockers.. of course not. They are in the business of reselling products to consumers.. they obviously want to sell us these items because its literally how they feed their families - the wrath i have seen on this forum in the last few days is misplaced... please please go and tell AMD how you feel- they are the only ones who can actually do anything about it!

Quite honestly it is a wonder any stock has arrived in the hands of customers at this point.

I'm blown away by the level of interaction on this forum by @Gibbo et al.. if any of you think they don't care about their customer base you are deluded.


Thank you and you also hit another point, we are having to operate under Covid guidelines, to ensure the safety to our staff and customers.
When our MD has to process refunds himself, because CS staff cannot cope, we literally bring all hands to the pump and were also honouring Covid guidelines and working within safety restrictions.
 
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The truth is:

Supply is weak!
Demand is extremely high, bonkers high.

I can say I have never witness product launch sales like this ever, not even remotely close, but lets face it the manufacturers knew how demand was, they had notify buttons on their sites pre-launch, they also made the decision to set MSRP's extremely aggressive so what did they expect when offering products offering the performance of the previous generation at half the price, of course the sales were going to be sky high, then factor in a pandemic, so stay at home play is a factor and then factor the products are launching at busiest time of year. Anyone knew demand would be sky high and as these manufacturers employ intelligent people you would hope they also knew too, the question has to be asked why launch product with so little supply and why set such aggressive MSRP's that are near impossible to hit?

I completely understand the situation regarding supply and that matches my own view of Nvidia and AMD causing the issues, or at least not helping them. I was paraphrasing the Nvidia spiel about supply not being the issue.

On the plus side at least now we have competition in the enthusiast GPU space, just got to be lucky with being able to pick one up.

I cancelled my tuf gaming non oc order when it became clear they weren't going to be making any anytime soon, that's what frustrates me most, being in a reasonable queue position for something they had no intention of supplying (and I understand why they target the oc model first, but why advertise the non oc until they can make it in reasonable numbers)
 
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Just stumbled onto this thread that just caught fire :D

I've always had an overall great experience with OCUK.

There will always be positives and negatives buying anything.

They sorted me out an RTX 3090 within a week of launch which is amazing and I also got lucky. But I picked a model based on Gibbo's advice on stock and it came through. Nice one mate!

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get a 5900X from OCUK but can't really blame them.

There will always be mistakes and RMA's and stock troubles but I agree that the militancy of some people on here is insane.

I ask for updates on orders and want to find out as much info as everyone else.

After shopping here for a couple of decades OCUK FTW :cool:
 
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Consoles are sold at a loss by Sony and Microsoft and priced so that retailers can make a reasonable margin because the more consoles are sold, the more they'll make on service subscriptions and game sales. Towards the end of the consoles life Sony and MS may make a little bit on each unit sale as production costs decrease. Not comparable to GPU's or other PC hardware as there is no service / game sales side.

Yep, consoles are a platform that enables a service, which is where the real money is made.
 
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That is hilarious. Surely you can't be banned for selling for actual retail price!?!?! It had so many buyers queuing too so surely reasonable.

You get banned for using the MM for profitable trading.

So if you get pulled up and asked to prove you're not selling for profit you need to show the CPU you're offering for 580 was bought for 580 or less.

The rules have been there for a really long time.
 
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I have respect for @Gibbo for responding to the complaints about the prices with detailed posts and engaging with everyone, they could easily just ignore it and not care.

On another note I ended up dropping the idea of an upgrade after this launch fiasco, no stock anywhere and prices aren’t ideal. To be fair my 5700XT has held up better than I imagined originally I thought of it as a stop gap card until big navi, but still runs games maxed at 1440p so outside of RT I’m not gaining a huge amount with one of these anyway.

Managed to snag a PS5 on Amazon yesterday afternoon, with that as well I’ll wait out this current mess and revisit a GPU upgrade later next year.

Don't fall for the "we care" approach of the company as whole. They care about their bottom line. I'm sure some of the staff care but they, ultimately, do what their superiors tell them to. Anyway, if you look at other forums OcUK are taking a hammering reputation wise. They've never cared to go into detail about some of their less friendly consumer practices in the past, they're only doing it now because even they can't completely ignore the negativity online. I guess a ducks back can only shed so much water.

If they cared about anything other than how much money they can squeeze out of us they'd have charged msrp like elsewhere. You'd think they'd want to improve their image, but no. Don't forget, if they are happy to lie about being the primary partner in the UK, what else will they happily twist.
 
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I am on Vega 56 on both my machines

Tried to get a 3080 on launch - couldn't get one

Then I managed after sitting since 1.30 on OCUK refreshing like a madman to get a 6800XT into my Basket and paid for and confirmed before 2.40

I didn't need someone to send the link I just used my common sense and went to Graphics cards/AMD and they magically appeared- everyone was on the same playing field

(if you do not think this then you are delusional or one of life's excuse makers)

Updates of the guys getting them and knew I would be borderline to get one due to the very limited stock

Watched it all unfold- order confirmed - payment taken but not shipped so there still was hope

Around 6pm got the email- Order cancelled & bummer - guess it will be a few days before my refund would be returned like most other places but I had the money aside so it wasnt going to affect my life in any way

Ohh well that does not change my life in the slightest - Shadowlands in on Monday and I will still be playing it

the lad ScottiB was sitting on late answering the all of the angry daft children throwing their dummies out of the pram, even said he had a headache & hadnt eaten

Remember this Kiddies

It is not Staffs fault there are no cards- that is AMD & Nvidia
9000 people for 250 cards is never going to be great for the masses
If you are in a queue for a Card- that is YOUR choice- if you dont like it then leave it & get your cash back (God knows it is posted all over the forums)
If you sat on the phone for 40 minutes and the person on the other side couldn't pickup or fix your issue while playing a harp then get it over it Buttercup- they are only normal people trying to earn a crust probably tiered and getting moaned at constantly
Gibbo has come on to the forums and explained things - in truth he doesnt need to and folk have continually griped about paying a bit over MSRP - he even explained the costs to several conspiracy theorist experts
He drives a Ferrari - good for him. Maybe the guy loves cars, if you drive a Reliant Robin then either you dont like cars or your life choices have lead you down a different path just like his - what does that have to do with the price of a Graphics card

In short - just accept it is nothing but an inconvenience


Throw those Huggies and Dummy away- put on your man pants(or Grown up pants) & actually focus on the important things in life

Buy a Book and read until you get he card you desire- or just play on the one you have- even buy a stop gap

Peace & much love to you all
 
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Don't fall for the "we care" approach of the company as whole. They care about their bottom line. I'm sure some of the staff care but they, ultimately, do what their superiors tell them to. Anyway, if you look at other forums OcUK are taking a hammering reputation wise. They've never cared to go into detail about some of their less friendly consumer practices in the past, they're only doing it now because even they can't completely ignore the negativity online. I guess a ducks back can only shed so much water.

If they cared about anything other than how much money they can squeeze out of us they'd have charged msrp like elsewhere. You'd think they'd want to improve their image, but no. Don't forget, if they are happy to lie about being the primary partner in the UK, what else will they happily twist.

I think the point is that there is nothing stopping you finding it at MSRP if you can find stock - Your choice appears to be to wait or whatever, it will hit MSRP even here once they have made the money off the early adapters. At least here they are openly telling you that they will bend you over and that they are putting 13-15% on top meaning that the non XT it is a £70 markup so XT prices for the non XT and the XT is something altogether different with about the same stabbed on top again.

You can't argue, they are being entirely transparent with the fact that you are being overcharged.
 
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This really highlights some of the lunatics in society reading this thread.

This entire GPU launch period has been very eye opening. I used to work in a public facing role as a student and it was bad then but some of the stuff I’ve read here over the past month makes me despair.
 
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